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Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by heromal »

quietbritishjim wrote: post #150
an0malous wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a good fraction of people, especially on this forum, who are actively encouraging this. Posts that criticize the administration consistently get flagged off the front page even when they’re related to tech

You are severely misreading why people flag posts about that discuss the administration (whether for or against): they are tiresome to read about, and it doesn't lead to productive interesting discussion (which is supposed to be what the vote buttons are for here). Politics isn't 100% off topic for HN but mostly I come here to get away from it and I'm sure others do too.

Yeah, because "AI is so great guys!!" is any better.

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by jeroenhd »

Nifty3929 wrote: post #46
alsetmusic wrote: post #31

It'd be real cool if all the second amendment (guns) people cared as much about the first amendment (free speech and freedom of press). "They're gonna take my guns away!" Yet that never happens. But people are being targeted for what they say, for disagreeing publicly. That's real. And a lot of "patriots" don't seem to notice or care.

The guns haven't been taken away only because people do care so much about the 2nd amendment. Those people understand that the 2nd amendment is the only ultimate defense for the people against the government. I too wish people also cared as much about the 1st amendment, but sadly I think the tide is turning on that. Too many on both the right and left seem okay with censorship and harassment.

With the government harassing, attacking, and now killing innocent American citizens, I'm not so sure if the second amendment is working out so well.

With the ridiculous leeway American law enforcement has when it comes to harming people ("qualified immunity"), I don't think that second amendment will be relevant until there's an outright civil war happening. And when it comes to that, one or both sides have access to predator drones and fighter jets.

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by pixl97 »

HNisCIS wrote: post #134
cjs_ac wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's all well and good, but the law stands because the administration has more firepower than you.

The American military couldn't handle rice farmers or goat herders, they sure as fuck can't handle the most armed country in history. The question is how many people will side with them vs reality.

>The American military couldn't handle rice farmers or goat herders

Eh, they killed them by the hundreds of thousands, and were not even trying to genocide them. If the current regime decided to actually just exterminate people our level of technology would make what the Nazis did look like babies playtime.

>The question is how many people will side with them vs reality

At least 40% of the population given what we've seen so far.

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by johnisgood »

HNisCIS wrote: post #134
cjs_ac wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's all well and good, but the law stands because the administration has more firepower than you.

The American military couldn't handle rice farmers or goat herders, they sure as fuck can't handle the most armed country in history. The question is how many people will side with them vs reality.

> The American military couldn't handle rice farmers or goat herders

Where can I read more about this?

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by NickC25 »

dabluecaboose wrote: post #151
NickC25 wrote: post #136

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>Just a few years ago, their own supporters were smugly saying that standing up to the government is a fantasy for paranoid whackjobs. One dude in his home with a gun or two versus a 50 billion dollar ICE force that has complete immunity and a massive media and political empire ready to spin any bad incident into an us-versus-them narrative..... Yeah, it is a fantasy. Oh, and if anything really gets out of hand, that…

Thew whiplash from "Why isn't anyone fighting ICE???" to "the government will nuke us if we fight back" is frankly stunning

Can't fight ICE because they have no laws they need to uphold, and they have an unlimited budget to buy tools to fight you with.

And the whiplash is quite small, if not nonexistent. Why? Because there's no depths to which this regime, which is openly hostile to its own population, won't go to assert power, as well as to maintain it.

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by Der_Einzige »

an0malous wrote: post #74
iamtheworstdev wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The following question is "what will they do with the names of the people they pull?". I'll take a shot at the answer -> Charge them with treason. Because that's the country we live in now, and most of us are just sitting by passively watching it happen.

There’s a good fraction of people, especially on this forum, who are actively encouraging this. Posts that criticize the administration consistently get flagged off the front page even when they’re related to tech

[flagged]

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by anon84873628 »

gvedem wrote: post #132
mikeweiss wrote: post #34

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That only works if they aren't U.S citizens... Which if they're working for the gov means they are. This administration is creative they will find other more 'legal' ways for retribution so the punishment sticks.

This would only be true if ICE cared to obey the law, which they do not. They are not observing even the most basic facsimile of due process or probable cause. Protesting them is being treated as grounds for brutalization or arrest. They are actively flaunting their contempt for the Constitution while "conservatives" cheer from the sidelines.

Instead of calling them "conservatives" we should be calling them reactionaries. They want to erase the progress of the 20th century.

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by ryandrake »

mikeweiss wrote: post #34
lawn wrote: post #27

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Or they'll have ICE take them and they'll be deported or made to disappear. Some might even end up dying. That's how the US is right now.

That only works if they aren't U.S citizens... Which if they're working for the gov means they are. This administration is creative they will find other more 'legal' ways for retribution so the punishment sticks.

Practically, what is stopping them from black-bagging and deporting citizens? Congress? The courts?

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by bediger4000 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #129
snowwrestler wrote: post #88

To clarify why it’s aggressive: federal employees have a legal duty to secure classified information, but everyone else does not. Reporters are not federal employees and it’s not illegal for them to have or discuss classified materials. Most of what Snowden leaked was classified, and remains classified to this day , but you and I can read about it on Wikipedia. The government pursued Snowden because he was legally ob…

That's nothing, there was the time the FBI raided James O'Keefe's house to find Ashley Biden's diary. I feel weird writing any of that out, because its sounds batshit, but they did that. Some people may not like James for any given number of reasons (NPR did a hit peace saying he doesn't qualify for journalism protections - which to me is a matter of opinion not necessarily fact), but since when do federal agents rai…

The O'Keefe thing might have been bad, but raiding and searching a reporter's house is incredibly bad. Do we not get to object to the incredibly bad thing, because what might have been a small bad thing took place? You seem to be falling prey to a logical fallacy of some sort.
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