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There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Post by jquery »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #160
teiferer wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Why stop there" is often a reason why nothing gets done. Why do small if you can go big right away? Because going big right away is costly (in social cost, in convincing, in how much people need to change behavior, ...) and that prevents people from doing it in the first place because the threshold is high. Apathy is the result. Better to take a small step first, then get used to the measure / the cost, then have a…

> Everybody makes fun of paper straws. Yeah, because they suck . Uh, pun not intended. Paper straws get somewhat soggy and feel bad in your mouth. They are inferior to the plastic straws they purport to replace, so people resist them as much as they can. If you want to actually make a difference with an environmental effort, you need to make something superior . Nobody makes fun of LED light bulbs because (up front c…

I'm convinced paper straws are a psy-op by the plastics industry to make us hate environmentalists.

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Post by globular-toast »

hahahahhaah wrote: post #50
waldrews wrote: post #33

There's a ridiculous amount of tech in the DNA and cellular machinery of a single bacterium.

When you poo though it doesnt require landfill and relatively less toxic.

Where do you think it goes?

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Post by morsch »

dmurray wrote: post #159
Earw0rm wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go on, give us some numbers. Because 7Bn people multiplied by a few kg/year doesn't seem trivial to me, but sounds like you can prove it.

7 billion kg at the density of water would fit in a cube 200 m on each side. All the plastic ever produced could be stuffed back into one medium size coal mine. There are thousands of such mines and they are already ecologically disruptive. It's a large amount when you think about the logistics to move it around the world, but a small amount compared to the total amount of stuff we take out of the earth.

We've produced 6-8 billion tons of plastic/plastic waste and its bulk density is much lower than water

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/global-plastics-productio...

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Post by nottorp »

pyrolistical wrote: post #43
jaggederest wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why stop there? I think more or less every non-durable product manufacturer (say, lifespan less than 5 years) should be required to take the product back at end of life and dispose of it properly. Trash is an enormous externality. I'm talking about plastic clamshells, container lids, "disposable" storage containers, the lot.

Go further. Every product must be returned to manufacturer at end of life. Any items found by garbage program will be collected and returned to manufacturer at cost. All items sold in country must be identifiable for this purpose. Importers are considered the manufacturers and must retrofit products. Then we would be getting closer to capturing the total burden to society.

You're thinking disposable vapes, but this will apply to quality of life appliances like washing machines as well, right?

Do you want to live in a world where only the rich can afford washing machines?

Incidentally, I don't know what you do, but once in a while I throw (carefully, li-ion batteries) my broken electronics in the trunk and bring them to the local collection center.

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Post by piyushpr134 »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #160
teiferer wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Why stop there" is often a reason why nothing gets done. Why do small if you can go big right away? Because going big right away is costly (in social cost, in convincing, in how much people need to change behavior, ...) and that prevents people from doing it in the first place because the threshold is high. Apathy is the result. Better to take a small step first, then get used to the measure / the cost, then have a…

> Everybody makes fun of paper straws. Yeah, because they suck . Uh, pun not intended. Paper straws get somewhat soggy and feel bad in your mouth. They are inferior to the plastic straws they purport to replace, so people resist them as much as they can. If you want to actually make a difference with an environmental effort, you need to make something superior . Nobody makes fun of LED light bulbs because (up front c…

paper straws do not make any sense any way you look at it. Are we saying that we are okay to cut trees to make straws when we could make them out of petroleum ?

Moreover, paper straws are not even recyclable due to water content which makes them soggy. Plastic ones are almost 100% recyclable

Most importantly, unlike plastic straws, they are laced with glue and other chemicals which gets ingested.

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Post by FridayoLeary »

jiggawatts wrote: post #115
7e wrote: post #102

These products are targeted towards high school teens and middle schoolers, carry a number of serious health risks, and anyone involved in making them can rot in hell.

They’re better than cigarettes, so they’re the lesser evil.

I would argue that in the context of ops complaint they are worse.
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