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Anthropic made a mistake in cutting off third-party clients

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Re: Anthropic made a mistake in cutting off third-party clients

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Yes but why are they subsidizing the pricing and requiring to use their closed source client to benefit from it? It’s the same reason the witch in the story of Hansel and Gretel was giving out free candy.

Yes, why is there a discount when I buy a bundle? This is clearly sign of nefarious behaviour.

It very obviously is, you'd have to be the most naive of the most naive to think there isn't a path for them to jack prices later. Maybe that's not nefarious depending on your definition, but the point is you will definitely be paying more in the future.

I mean, this is the playbook of every tech company for the past 30 years. You sell something at a huge loss to gain market share and force your competitors to exit, and then you begin value extraction from your, now captive, customer base. You lower quality, raise prices, and cut support, and you do it slowly enough that nobody is hit with enough friction at one time to walk.

If you expect anything else, I don't know what to tell you. This is very much the standard. In fact it's SO much the standard that companies don't even have a choice. If you choose not to do this, then the people who are doing this will just undercut you and run you out.

The key piece in this is that, once the value extraction begins, it can't just strive for profitability. No, it also has to make up for the past 10 or 15 years of losses on top of that. So it's not like the product will just get expensive enough to sustain itself like you'd expect with a typical product. It'll get much more expensive than that.

Re: Anthropic made a mistake in cutting off third-party clients

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They did not. Anthropic is protecting its huge asset: the Claude Code value chain, which has proven itself to be a winner among devs (me included, after trying everything under the sun in 2025). If anything, Anthropic's mistake is that they are incapable of monetizing their great models in the chat market, where ChatGPT reigns: ie. Anthropic did not invest in image generation, Google did and Gemini has a shot at the…

This is really not the point. Anthropic isn’t cutting off third-party. You can use their models via API all you want. Why are people conflating this issue? Anthropic doesn’t owe anyone anything to offer their “unlimited” pro tiers outside of Claude Code. It’s not hard to build your own Opencode and use API keys. CLI interface by itself is not a moat.

People should take this as a lesson on how much we are being subsidized right now.

Claude code runs into use limitations for everyone at every tier. The API is too expensive to use and it's _still_ subsidized.

I keep repeating myself but no one seems to listen: quadratic attention means LLMs will always cost astronomically more than you expect after running the pilot project.

Going from 10k loc to 100k loc isn't a 10x increase, it's a 99x increase. Going from 10k loc to 1m loc isn't a 100x increase, it's a 9999x increase. This is fundamental to how transformers work and is the _best case scenario_. In practice things are worse.

Re: Anthropic made a mistake in cutting off third-party clients

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As a user of Claude Code via API (the expensive way), Anthrophic's "huge mistake" is capping monthly spend (billed in advance and pay as you go some $500 - $1500 at a time, by credit card) at just $5,000 a month. It's a supposedly professional tool with a value proposition that requires being in your work flow. Are you going to keep using a power drill on your construction site that bricks itself the last week or two…

This sounds like a stop loss? Are they losing money per token even through the api?

Sure does.

I imagine a combination of stop loss and market share. If larger shops use up compute, you can't capture as many customers by headcount.

// There was a figure around o3, an astonishing model punching far above the weights (ahem) of models that came after, that suggested the thinkiest mode cost on the order of $3500 to do a deep research. Perhaps OpenAI can afford that, while Anthropic can't.

Re: Anthropic made a mistake in cutting off third-party clients

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post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is really not the point. Anthropic isn’t cutting off third-party. You can use their models via API all you want. Why are people conflating this issue? Anthropic doesn’t owe anyone anything to offer their “unlimited” pro tiers outside of Claude Code. It’s not hard to build your own Opencode and use API keys. CLI interface by itself is not a moat.

People should take this as a lesson on how much we are being subsidized right now. Claude code runs into use limitations for everyone at every tier. The API is too expensive to use and it's _still_ subsidized. I keep repeating myself but no one seems to listen: quadratic attention means LLMs will always cost astronomically more than you expect after running the pilot project. Going from 10k loc to 100k loc isn't a 10…

I don't see LLMs ingesting the LoCs. I see CC finding and grepping and reading file contents piecewise, precisely because it is too expensive to ingest a whole project.

So what you say is not true: cost does not directly correlate with LoC.

Re: Anthropic made a mistake in cutting off third-party clients

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post #32

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If "never" means never, you are not leverage, you are just gone.

"Just gone" is the biggest leverage against business? Note that boycott is usually conditional. If they change things, the customer might come back.

If "never" means never ...

Re: Anthropic made a mistake in cutting off third-party clients

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Anthropic is not cutting off third-party clients.

It is blocking the usage of subsidized subscriptions that are intended to be used with Claude Code, with third party tools. Those thirdy party tools can still use claude's api, but paying API rates, which are not subsidized or at least are a lot less subsidized.

Re: Anthropic made a mistake in cutting off third-party clients

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post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is really not the point. Anthropic isn’t cutting off third-party. You can use their models via API all you want. Why are people conflating this issue? Anthropic doesn’t owe anyone anything to offer their “unlimited” pro tiers outside of Claude Code. It’s not hard to build your own Opencode and use API keys. CLI interface by itself is not a moat.

People should take this as a lesson on how much we are being subsidized right now. Claude code runs into use limitations for everyone at every tier. The API is too expensive to use and it's _still_ subsidized. I keep repeating myself but no one seems to listen: quadratic attention means LLMs will always cost astronomically more than you expect after running the pilot project. Going from 10k loc to 100k loc isn't a 10…

>Claude code runs into use limitations for everyone at every tier

What do you mean by this? I know plenty of people who never hit the upgraded Opus 4.5 limits anymore even on the $100 plan, even those who used to hit the limits on the $200 plan w/ Opus 4 and Opus 4.1.

>The API is too expensive to use and it's _still_ subsidized.

What do you mean by saying the API is subsidized? Anthropic is a private company that isn't required to (and doesn't) report detailed public financial statements. The company operating at a loss doesn't mean all inference is operating at a loss, it means that the company is spending an enormous amount of money on R&D. The fact that the net loss is shrinking over time tells us that the inference is producing net profit over time. In this business, there is enormous up front cost to train a model. That model then goes on to generate initially large, but subsequently gradually diminishing revenue until the model is deprecated. That said, at any given snapshot-in-time, while there is likely large ongoing R&D expenditure on the next model causing the overall net profit for the entire company to still be negative, it's entirely possible that several, if not many or even most of the previously trained models have fully recouped their training costs in inference revenue.

It's fairly obvious that the monthly subscriptions are subsidized to gain market share the same way Uber rides were on early on, but what indication do you have that the PAYG API is being subsidized? How would total losses have shrunk from $5.6B in 2024 to just $3B in 2025 while ARR grew from ~$1B to ~$7B over the same time period (one where usage of the platform dramatically expanded) if PAYG API inference wasn't running at a net profit for the company?

>quadratic attention means LLMs will always cost astronomically more than you expect after running the pilot project

This is only true as long as O(n²) quadratic attention remains the prevailing paradigm. As Qwen3-Next and Nemotron 3 Nano have shown with hybrid linear attention + sparse quadratic layers and a hybrid Mamba SSM, not all modern, performant LLMs necessarily need to run strictly O(n²) quadratic attention models. Sure, these aren't frontier models competitive with Opus 4.5 or Gemini 3 Pro or GPT 5.2 xhigh, but these aren't experimental tiny toy models like RWKV or Falcon Mamba that serve as little more than PoCs for alternative architectures, either. Qwen3-Next and Nemotron 3 Nano are solid players in their respective local weight classes.

Re: Anthropic made a mistake in cutting off third-party clients

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They did not. Anthropic is protecting its huge asset: the Claude Code value chain, which has proven itself to be a winner among devs (me included, after trying everything under the sun in 2025). If anything, Anthropic's mistake is that they are incapable of monetizing their great models in the chat market, where ChatGPT reigns: ie. Anthropic did not invest in image generation, Google did and Gemini has a shot at the…

> Anthropic did not invest in image generation

I'd be pretty happy if Anthropic acquired Midjourney

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