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Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by throwaway-11-1 »

epolanski wrote: post #29

I liked the path windows was going in late 2010s. WSL, power toys, many great utils, great performance. But it has since then stalled and got increasingly worse. Especially with this AI shoving everywhere, not even mentioning getting ads at some point in notifications and start menu. I'm not particularly in love with MacOS either (but have no realistic alternative on my MacBooks). I'm more and more inclined of switch…

macOS is in the worst state I’ve ever experienced since I started using it, but I’d go back to a shitty performing x86 laptop with Linux before living on windows again. Just using it on my gaming pc makes my skin crawl

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by hackyhacky »

schmuckonwheels wrote: post #87
hackyhacky wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or: Steve Ballmer oversaw the decline of Mircosoft's flagship product, but left before he could be blamed for it. A lot of Windows' current problems can be traced back to the Ballmer era, including the framework schizophrenia, as Microsoft shifted between Win32, UWP, WPF, and god knows what else. This has lead to the current chaotic and disjointed UI experience, and served to confuse and drive away developers. Repeat…

>including the framework schizophrenia, as Microsoft shifted between Win32, UWP, WPF Ah yes, and the solution being presented is Linux, with Xlib, Motif, Qt, GTK, and your choice of 167 different desktop environments. Don't forget the whole Wayland schism. Mac is no better, shifting SDKs every few years, except Apple goes one step further by breaking all legacy applications so you are forced to upgrade. Can't be schi…

> Ah yes, and the solution being presented is Linux, with Xlib, Motif, Qt, GTK

I'm not going to descend into a "my OS's API is worse than yours" pissing match with you, because it's pointless and tangential. The issue is not "is the Windows framework situation worse than Linux" but rather "is the Windows framework situation worse than it used to be" and the answer is emphatically yes, and due mostly to Ballmer's obsession with chasing shiny things, such as that brief period when he decided that all Windows must look like a phone.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by cmckn »

qwerpy wrote: post #48
nilamo wrote: post #20

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I, too, am irrationally furious at microsoft for forcing me to look at nature scapes and offering a link to learn more if I wanted.

What got me to angrily turn it off was a gigantic closeup of a moose face. It’s kind of funny now that I think about it but I have two 32” monitors and I really did not need 64” of moose lips and wet nostrils.

This really made me laugh, thanks.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by flufluflufluffy »

mixel wrote: post #3

It's not shocking they added even more bloatware to every microsoft program so even with the same OS kernel it would probably take longer. At this point it also got out of hand for Microsoft themselves if you have heard how they are going to speed up the explorer. Not by making it faster but by preloading it on startup so it feels snappier, there are 20 years of technical debt in I think you cannot save this anymore…

One random little thing to add on to the list of shitty things about Windows 11: the new default image-viewing program (Photos), is incapable of rendering multi-page TIFF files. No error message or anything, just displays the first page and acts like everything’s fine. The OLD image viewing program (Windows Photo Viewer), displays them no problem though…

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by hackyhacky »

jamespo wrote: post #161
schmuckonwheels wrote: post #117

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And what about Carbon? Gone. 32-bit apps? Gone. PowerPC stuff? Anything more than a few years old? Forget it. You can't even run versions of iPhoto or iTunes after they deliberately broke them and replaced them with objectively shittier equivalents. Their own apps! Windows can still run programs from the 90s unmodified. There are VB6 apps from 1998 talking to Access databases still running small businesses today. Can…

Try running windows 11 on old CPUs, or machines without secure boot / TPM 2.0.

> Try running windows 11 on old CPUs, or machines without secure boot / TPM 2.0.

The more relevant test is the reverse: running Windows XP and apps of that era on modern hardware. It will work perfectly. The same cannot be said of 2000-era Mac software.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by conradfr »

PlanksVariable wrote: post #146
api wrote: post #83

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The reason for this is that it's hard to hire native UI developers, but easy to hire web devs. Something like 90% of all new devs today learn only cloud-native backend dev or web frontend dev. The only exceptions tends to be mobile and game developers. Collectively cloud+web, mobile, and games account for like 98% of all new devs it seems. Nobody learns anything else. The web is going to become the desktop UI in the…

Why can’t Microsoft employees learn on the job? When I joined a (non-Microsoft) BigTech company, I was expected to learn C++ and internal libraries and tools within a couple months while working on newbie projects. The company recouped that investment many times over.

That can work if you're not expecting to be fired on a whim in one of those 20k+ layoffs when suddenly you have a skill no one seeks while you have not grown in the other area the market wants.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by netsharc »

RankingMember wrote: post #152
dmitrygr wrote: post #135

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I still use a copy of Calc.EXE from Windows 2000 that I just move from machine to machine. It stopped being useful after that. That old one is nice. Hex mode. Starts quickly.

If I could get regular security updates for Windows 2000 I might still be using it- peak Windows

I wonder if it's ancient enough that the exploits floating online are too modern for it...

Hah, I guess the Internet really is like a sewer, you have to have good protective equipment to wade in it...

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by [deleted] »

Scubabear68 wrote: post #151
api wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason for this is that it's hard to hire native UI developers, but easy to hire web devs. Something like 90% of all new devs today learn only cloud-native backend dev or web frontend dev. The only exceptions tends to be mobile and game developers. Collectively cloud+web, mobile, and games account for like 98% of all new devs it seems. Nobody learns anything else. The web is going to become the desktop UI in the…

> The reason for this is that it's hard to hire native UI developers, but easy to hire web devs Funny. Back in the 90s Microsoft just hired kind of random kids from college to write their OS in C.

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Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by jtbayly »

pico303 wrote: post #88
smt88 wrote: post #53

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MacOS is a buggy mess, and it's also pretty slow lately. If you need full Office for work, your best bet is probably still Windows.

As a software engineer who has developed on Macs (and Linux) for most of my career and has recently started a job that requires me to use Windows again, I can tell you from experience that Office on the Mac is far, far more stable, easy to use, and considerably faster than on Win11. Microsoft’s macOS team are really good at their jobs. But then I don’t find macOS to be slow or a buggy mess, so mileage may vary.

Man, I've been an Apple user for years, and the best rumor I've ever heard is that MacOS 27 is going to be a Snow Leopard (bug fix) release!

It's so buggy on 26, it drives me crazy. Just not nearly as crazy as Windows 11 drives me.

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