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Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by vladvasiliu »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #151
vladvasiliu wrote: post #140

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Huh. Maybe your particular sample is degrading? I also have one, and it's holding up pretty well. A month or so ago I broke out my colorimeter and it had almost 100% sRGB at around 120 cd/m2. I don't recall the delta E, but it was very low. While I didn't measure the backlight, it does seem to not go as bright as before, judging by the levels I set in the OSD. I never went above 70% or so when the sun was shining in…

I have been using P2415Qs for over 10 years by now. Replaced some, bought second hand, had to ship to Dell at one point because of the wake issues (pointless: they never really fixed them), so I know the drill. There are actually 4 versions. The last new one I bought in 2018 I actually paid the same price for it than when I bought my first one in 2015, so it is one of those few computer accessories that significantly…

I don't pretend that I have the best vision out there, though I don't think I'm completely blind since I don't run into things. But I actually measured this display, and it's within specs. So maybe both I and my colorimeter are blind? Sure, it's not absolutely impossible, but how likely is it?

I actually have a newer "ips black" dell, an ultrasharp 3223qe and yes, it's much better.

But what I'm saying is that the old one is still good. However, I never pretended it was as good as current models. That's moving goalposts. The initial comment was about the display degrading, so comparing it to itself when new (not even other similar models from that era!). Mine only seems to have become somewhat dimmer, but not enough to matter in my day-to-day use since it's still brighter than I need.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by calebh »

ak217 wrote: post #176
WilcoKruijer wrote: post #148

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Totally agree. I’ve been using the Asus ProArt PA32QCV (6k monitor) for the past few months, and it has been great for coding. It’s about 220 PPI, or what Apple calls “retina”.

I've had my eyes on this Asus for a while now, but the rtings review mentions aggressive matte coating that seems like it might negate the high PPI advantage by randomly blurring the result. What's your impression?

I bought the 6K ProArt on launch, replacing an older 4k 27" Dell monitor. The new monitor is definitely an upgrade, but not as great as I was hoping. Like you said, the matte coating is by far the worst part of this monitor. I would say that it isn't bad enough to return the monitor, but it's definitely noticeable on white windows.

I've definitely enjoyed having the extra screen real estate over the 27" monitor, and the extra resolution has been very helpful for having a bunch of windows open in Unity.

This year at CES there were a number of new monitors unveiled that compete in this space. There's a new Samsung monitor (G80HS) that is a 32" 6k with a higher refresh rate than what you'd find with existing offerings. Unfortunately it has the matte coating instead of glossy, so clarity will suffer.

Also of interest are the new 27" 4k offerings with true RGB stripe subpixel layout. This should fix text rendering problems, especially on Windows. Both Samsung and LG are making these OLED monitors with the true RGB layout. There will almost certainly be glossy coatings offered with these panels, and they'll have higher refresh rates than IPS. The main downside will be brightness for full screen white windows. I think the Samsung panel is a bit better than LG in terms of brightness.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by chatmasta »

dylan604 wrote: post #43
chatmasta wrote: post #25

Dell monitors are very hit or miss for me. I’ve got two with very similar model numbers to the OP. One of them has a straight vertical line of red pixels at (30%, 0%). The other doesn’t have an integrated webcam. Meanwhile I’ve got an MSI OLED 32” 240Hz @ 4k monitor which was super expensive but is absolutely incredible. It takes getting used to a monitor that performs a maintenance routine on itself any time you lea…

> The other doesn’t have an integrated webcam. Are you saying this is a con as it sounds like a pro to me.

I’m saying the reason the vertical line appeared is likely due to the crappy webcam bolted onto it.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by darubedarob »

ksec wrote: post #46
aappleby wrote: post #18

This guy is complaining about fringing...on 9- and 10-pixel high fonts. That works out to 1.6mm or 1.8mm high characters on a 140 dpi screen, or about 1/16 of an inch. He's also got Cleartype on and set to RGB stripe even though the OLED is not RGB stripe (though to be fair, Windows doesn't really make it clear what each page of the ClearType tuner does). But yeah, if you use a _tiny_ font and sit _really_ close to t…

My Friend on a 30Hz Phone Screen because of battery saving mode said the difference between 30Hz and 60Hz is so minor, that in "In practice, it's been unnoticeable." At one point in time 95%+ of HN comments were cheering on about Atom the text editor and later VSCode as being fast enough or unnoticeable. When Sublime user are baffled as to why. And Sublime isn't the fastest text editor either before Zed came out. Yes…

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Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by c0nsumer »

SomeHacker44 wrote: post #170
c0nsumer wrote: post #155

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(Author here.) I do have astigmatism. You do make me wonder if this plays a part as well...

I do too. Combined with progressive lenses and I have significant chromatic aberration issues. Blue and red pixels require different focus, which is sometimes an issue when solid blues and reds are on screen in close proximity. I turn off pure blue colors in my terminal emulator, for example.

That sounds familiar. I also have ever so slight green-brown color blindness. It's only really noticeable in low light (like in the woods in evenings), but that could well all stack up to be a problem.

I also have significant problems with blue LEDs around the house, to the point where I've removed, replaced, or covered almost all of them. They really, really bother me because it feels like my eyes never focus on them and they leave me feeling slightly disoriented.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by c0nsumer »

calebh wrote: post #182
ak217 wrote: post #176

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I've had my eyes on this Asus for a while now, but the rtings review mentions aggressive matte coating that seems like it might negate the high PPI advantage by randomly blurring the result. What's your impression?

I bought the 6K ProArt on launch, replacing an older 4k 27" Dell monitor. The new monitor is definitely an upgrade, but not as great as I was hoping. Like you said, the matte coating is by far the worst part of this monitor. I would say that it isn't bad enough to return the monitor, but it's definitely noticeable on white windows. I've definitely enjoyed having the extra screen real estate over the 27" monitor, and…

(Author here.)

This is akin to how I've (technically?) stepped back from a 5K 27" to a 4K 32". Likely due to scaling and how far I sit from the screen (about 24" -- average I think) things look the same? At least, I don't notice that the 4K is any worse.

Me being me, I can't help but think I should have a 5K or 6K or whatever, but the price is... high. So I figured I'd try a 4K 32" since the OLED was cheap and the result was this post because the subpixel pattern messed with me. But now for the replacement I'm looking at a simple (but nice color / high end) 4K 32" IPS LCD.

And having been using one for the last day, I'm pretty content with it. It's like everything I wanted from the OLED without the eye strain.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by c0nsumer »

moogly wrote: post #32
jedbrooke wrote: post #14

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I wonder if the RGB strip layout has some downsides, and why such a no brainer idea hasn’t been tried before. If I had to guess it could be something in the manufacturing process is more difficult.

They've just have had issues manufacturing it, but there were several monitors from MSI, Asus and Gigabyte with Samsung's latest gen QD-OLED display announced (and reviewed) this week with RGB stripe subpixel layout, so we are there now (as soon as they are available), and this article is somewhat poorly timed.

(Author here.)

I'd say that because the article documents my experience at this point in time, the only poor timing is when my old-ish monitor died and I went looking for a replacement. And this article documents my experience with that.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by WilcoKruijer »

ak217 wrote: post #176
WilcoKruijer wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally agree. I’ve been using the Asus ProArt PA32QCV (6k monitor) for the past few months, and it has been great for coding. It’s about 220 PPI, or what Apple calls “retina”.

I've had my eyes on this Asus for a while now, but the rtings review mentions aggressive matte coating that seems like it might negate the high PPI advantage by randomly blurring the result. What's your impression?

To be honest, it’s probably the worst 6k monitor out there, but I’m still enjoying it. I got it basically before any reviews were out and I initially thought I had a defective model. The matte coating is pretty bad, and the screen being darker near the edges is also very noticeable when you look for it. It’s also 60hz which is pretty disappointing.

With all that said, I would still recommend it over anything not retina.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by vizzah »

deivid wrote: post #87
ValdikSS wrote: post #72

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>right now I have 4K on 24", at 200% scaling I have Dell P2415Q, from 2015. There are, like, 4 other (legacy) models of 24" 4K out there, and that's it. I've no idea why they don't manufacture them.

Downsizing from a 27" 5k to a 24" 4k, could not find anything besides a new company called JAPANNEXT (they are French)

yeah, I've tried their 24" 4k monitor, was okay, but not great, so returned. 24" is the max size I can tolerate with short-sightedness, but avoid using glasses for the monitor.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by kllrnohj »

girvo wrote: post #110
kllrnohj wrote: post #28

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RGB strip isn't really better, it's just what cleartype happens to understand. A lot of these OLED developments came from either TV or mobile, neither of which had legacy subpixel hinting to deal with. So the subpixel layouts were optimized for both manufacturing but also human perception. Humans do not perceive all colors equally, we are much more sensitive to green than blue for example. Since OLED is emissive, it…

The article shows mac, it's not just ClearType... PenTile for example (as another commenter pointed out) was woeful with text, and made things look fuzzy. I'm not a fan of ClearType, but even on Linux OLED text rendering just isn't as good in my experience (at normal desktop monitor DPI) Perhaps its down to the algorithms most OSes use instead of just ClearType, but why hasn't it been solved by this point even outsid…

iPhones all use PenTile and nobody complains about fuzzy text on them. Early generations of pentile weren't that great, but modern ones look fantastic at basically everything. See also everyone considers the iPad Pro to have probably the best display available at any price point - and it's not an RGB strip, either.
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