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Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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> What does this have to do with gp's claim about cycle of reprisals by both parties? It can be simultaneously possible to admit that the leader of one party is more sane than the other, and to observe that both parties are engaging in cycles of retaliation when they get in power, and that egging on even more retaliation is going to make the situation worse. I think the reason we are in the situation we are in now is…

>I think the reason we are in the situation we are in now is that the last administration wasn't nearly retaliatory _enough_ after J6 Jailing Hitler sure stopped his movement in its tracks! Or maybe we should have gone even further and set a precedent for to jail people for decades for having "dangerous" political opinions?

It did! They let him go!

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Its important to not be hyperbolic in these times. The two technologies ICE uses rely on permission for apps tonuse geolocation data for advertising purposes. Same reason you start seeing ads for local things when you travel. Technically they can subpoena cell records to see which towers your phone connects to, but this is not viable for multiple people. For privacy, if you care, having a rooted degoogled phone with…

> phone with no sim card is sufficient enough It's most certainly not. Phones connect to a cell tower even without a SIM to make emergency calls. The phone can still be tracked and it's not a difficult leap from there to identify the owner of the phone.

Strikes me as almost negligent to say to "not be hyperbolic" and then completely downplay exactly how they can track you in the real world.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Basically: if it has a modem in it, it can be used against you in some way. Phones, routers, cars, public signs, cameras. It's been so turbulent lately, that it's hard to register events that would have blown our minds if so many things didn't also happen around the same time. Remember when Israel made a bunch of pagers explode indiscriminately across Lebanon and Syria? So many things going on, one worse than the oth…

Indiscriminately?

Yes, seemingly so. I guess we'd have to wait for full investigations to conclude before saying for sure, but sure looks like it.

> “To the extent that international humanitarian law applies, at the time of the attacks there was no way of knowing who possessed each device and who was nearby,” the experts said. “Simultaneous attacks by thousands of devices would inevitably violate humanitarian law, by failing to verify each target, and distinguish between protected civilians and those who could potentially be attacked for taking a direct part in hostilities."

> “Such attacks could constitute war crimes of murder, attacking civilians, and launching indiscriminate attacks, in addition to violating the right to life,” the experts said.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/09/exploding-pa...

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Who says I can't? In any event, before you go, why, exactly, is it infuriating?

What's infuriating is that you are acting as an agent of the government, defending their murder of a random citizen, but perceive yourself and frame yourself as a dispassionate observer who's interested in the media dynamics of how different descriptors get attached to people. I don't know if you started off like this, or if you're so deep in DHS propaganda that you can't find your way out, and right now I don't care…

The difference between us that I know exactly what ( and even why ) I advocate for: keeping the system stable.

She was a not some random citizen; I would have been addressing it differently if that was the case. Now, if you have a stomach for it, we can go over what kind of citizen she was.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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A Trump supporter murdered a politician in Minnesota, not "MAGA"

Tomato tomata

It is a massive difference of wording. Saying 'MAGA' suggests a large political movement/politicians committed a murder.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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I'm curious why you edited your comment? To appear more rational while making irrational tropes? > Only one side If you're going to use that tired old trope, maybe Reddit is a more suitable place for you. Thanks for reminding me to add it to my blocklist though. It is not a trope but a statement of fact.

I thought better of that quoted paragraph as it contained little substance and was just rude goading, which is ironically what you are doing.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Video analysis is depressing: https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis...

I wonder what conclusion the FBI's investigation will come to because it sure doesn't look good for ICE to me. Best case, those two agents get sentenced to life for murder but the damage is done and a life taken. If the officer fired two shots and she died at the scene then it seems reasonable to me the bullets didn't go through the windshield and, instead, went through her rolled down window while she was turning aw…

Zero chance they will get life. Maybe they will get promoted. https://rollcall.com/2023/08/24/capitol-police-promotes-offi...

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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post #91

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She can be both, she will become lots of things over time depending on agenda. Her background was decidedly under-reported, for a few justifications, including preventing a preferred audience from sympathizing with the victim. Not sure what your point is other than volume of information available increases over time.

You do have a point. My point is that we are constantly a part of informational warfare and it is getting old. I would love nothing more than people to look at it all with a cold eye and say something akin to: oh, I recognize this pattern. Instead, I attempts of various power centers to frame it in a way beneficial to them. Some of us are rather tired of this.

its not some pattern of abuse by shady actors manipulating opinions youre noticing, its voting algorithm and attention economy itself.

new ideas are constantly being published, and popular ones gain momentum by being shown to more people. as the idea gets saturated, the popularity gets overshadowed by the time based downranking.

if the idea is still popular though, in this case that ice murdered some woman as part of their shock and awe campaign, variations are going to show up such as "legal observer" and "mother of a three year old"

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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A decade ago I put this stance into my LinkedIn profile tag line, and was a little surprised how many engineers reached out to praise that decision. I think it's rapidly, finally , entering the realm of political viability.

All it took was a white mother (and US citizen) getting shot in broad daylight. As much as I hate to admit it, a large enough segment of the population needed something blatant like this to care.

You have it backwards. Police shooting a white person will get less attention than if they were not white.
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