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Re: The Jeff Dean Facts

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Post by vessenes »

chrfrasco wrote: post #133
vessenes wrote: post #123

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Re Jeff and Sanjay - they recently were on Dwarkesh together I believe - so it looks like the partnership is still going strong. Regarding Dean over Ghemawat facts, the vibe from the convo is that Sanjay is the (very slightly) junior partner of the two, or at least he lets Jeff do more of the talking. Very, very nice vibes hearing them talk, and their war stories are clearly nuts.

It was Jeff Dean and Noam Shazeer: https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/jeff-dean-and-noam-shazeer

Should have checked, thanks for the correction. I stand by my liking of how they talked to each-other

Re: The Jeff Dean Facts

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Post by tanseydavid »

m1ck wrote: post #15

My 3 When Graham Bell invented the telephone, he saw a missed call from Jeff Dean. Jeff Dean's PIN is the last 4 digits of pi. As a young boy, Jeff Dean reprogrammed his Etch A Sketch to play Tetris.

I have been laughing about the PIN/pi joke over and over for the past 24 hours.

Re: The Jeff Dean Facts

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Post by underdeserver »

sghemawat wrote: post #162
kentonv wrote: post #18

Hey! I created Jeff Dean Facts! Not the jokes themselves, but the site that collected them. It was in 2008 I think (give or take a year, can't remember). I worked at Google at the time. Chunk Norris Facts was a popular Internet meme (which I think later faded when he came out as MAGA, but I digress...). A colleague (who wishes to remain anonymous) thought the idea of Jeff Dean Facts would be funny, and April 1st was…

Hi Kenton! No worries at all. I tend to be quieter than Jeff anyway (less public speaking etc.) and I am happy to not have a dedicated website. :-). -Sanjay

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Legend. Popping up here after his last comment was 13 years ago.

Re: The Jeff Dean Facts

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Post by ctxc »

kentonv wrote: post #18

Hey! I created Jeff Dean Facts! Not the jokes themselves, but the site that collected them. It was in 2008 I think (give or take a year, can't remember). I worked at Google at the time. Chunk Norris Facts was a popular Internet meme (which I think later faded when he came out as MAGA, but I digress...). A colleague (who wishes to remain anonymous) thought the idea of Jeff Dean Facts would be funny, and April 1st was…

"Why do you pick on Protocol Buffers so much?

Because it’s easy to pick on myself. :)"

Damn!

Re: The Jeff Dean Facts

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Post by ignoramous »

scott_w wrote: post #169
rayiner wrote: post #168

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> I feel like most of us understand roughly what 'kentonv means. He unconsciously put Sanjay in an out-group and feels bad about it. But do you feel bad about it because he's brown and you wouldn't think twice about it if he were white? Frankly, the heightened sensitivity feels worse to me than actual racism.

> Yes, I actually do think if Sanjay Ghemawat were instead Wojciech Przemysław Kościuszko-Wiśniewski, white European but otherwise an equal engineer, and I chose to elevate Jeff Dean over him, I would later feel equally bad about it. You need to take a breath, read what people write, and stop trying to win the argument.

> stop trying to win the argument

Mr Rayiner is a lawyer by profession ;) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11340543

Re: The Jeff Dean Facts

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Post by ignoramous »

romanhn wrote: post #112
chubot wrote: post #89

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Side note: I used this query to test LLM recall: Do jeff dean and russ cox know each other? Interesting results: 1. Gemini pointed me back at MY OWN comment, above, an hour after I wrote it. So Google is crawling the web FAST. It also pointed to: https://learning.acm.org/bytecast/ep78-russ-cox This matches my recent experience -- Gemini is enhanced for many use cases by superior recall 2. Claude also knows this, poin…

Not just Google. I had ChatGPT regurgitate my HN comment (without linking to it) about 15 minutes after posting it. That was a year ago. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42649774

> Gemini pointed me back at MY OWN comment, above, an hour after I wrote it. So Google is crawling the web FAST. It also pointed to: https://learning.acm.org/bytecast/ep78-russ-cox ... I had ChatGPT regurgitate my HN comment (without linking to it) about 15 minutes after posting it.

Sounds like HN is the kind of place for effective & effortless "Answer Engine Optimization".

Re: The Jeff Dean Facts

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Post by jrowen »

istjohn wrote: post #145
jrowen wrote: post #94

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I don't think it's really fair to call it racism. That is such a loaded accusation to levy today that it should only be used if someone really wronged another person. We all have cultural biases and familiarities, is that wrong? By this definition, we're all racist. Maybe that's true but it kind of ceases to be a useful distinction at that point. I wholeheartedly agree with your last sentence, but I don't know if thr…

> By this definition, we're all racist. Maybe that's true but it kind of ceases to be a useful distinction at that point. Does it? I would argue that recognizing that we all swim in a soup of cultural biases and familiarities that advantage some people and disadvantage others is a noteworthy insight, an insight with practical implications. After all, we aren't volitionless molecules bouncing off walls. What if we mad…

> After all, we aren't volitionless molecules bouncing off walls.

Are we not?

The free will debate aside, I think what you said makes a lot of sense, and comes across as empathetic, and you didn't need to use that word. I just think it's too loaded, aggressive, and broad to be very useful as a shorthand for the more complex thought you expressed.

Re: The Jeff Dean Facts

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Post by scrame »

kentonv wrote: post #18

Hey! I created Jeff Dean Facts! Not the jokes themselves, but the site that collected them. It was in 2008 I think (give or take a year, can't remember). I worked at Google at the time. Chunk Norris Facts was a popular Internet meme (which I think later faded when he came out as MAGA, but I digress...). A colleague (who wishes to remain anonymous) thought the idea of Jeff Dean Facts would be funny, and April 1st was…

My further comment will be buried, but its a rip on Chuck Norris facts, and was pretty ... whatever ... "geek culture". That was only proved by Chuck Norris' endorsement of Mike Huckabee back in 2007: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--EGyU57efY
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