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Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by VorpalWay »

embedding-shape wrote: post #165
TacticalCoder wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ... 10 years ago people would've laughed if you talked about leaving Microsoft and iOS in enterprise. Now we all have contingency plans for just that, ... If, at long last, Trump doing insane things can help get rid of that piece of undescribable turd that Windows is in the EU, please just please Trump: go take the Groenland. As an EU citizen I'm gladly giving Groenland up (even if it's not in the EU but belongs to…

> As an EU citizen I'm gladly giving Groenland up (even if it's not in the EU but belongs to Denmark which is, itself, in the EU) Nitpicky, but I guess ultimately it kind of/might matter: Greenland belongs to the Kingdom of Denmark (Danish Realm), not Denmark. Denmark (often called Denmark Proper) is a part of the Kingdom of Denmark, which also Faroe Islands belong to. Denmark is in Europe + EU, Kingdom of Denmark is…

> Denmark is in Europe + EU, Kingdom of Denmark isn't in EU, but main part of it is indeed in Europe.

Main part by population. By area, not so.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by great69 »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #145
Quothling wrote: post #4

I've spent a couple of decades in the Danish public sector of digitalisation and in the private sector for global green energy. 10 years ago people would've laughed if you talked about leaving Microsoft and iOS in enterprise. Now we all have contingency plans for just that, and a lot of organisations are already actually doing it. So I would argue that there is more of a crack, but I'm not sure the post-american inte…

The idea that EU surveillance is greater than US surveillance is almost certainly mistaken. In fact, a huge reason that the EU is looking to move away from U.S. commercial providers is that they can’t guarantee they won’t be giving the U.S. govt information about EU users even if they setup completely independent EU based entities. The reason why it might appear that the EU is more heavy handed is because the EU is a…

I just assume it doesn’t matter where you live or who you are- anyone can have your data. It’s not admitting defeat. It’s just being safe and sane.

To the point of the post though, please note that saying the internet is American (it’s not, it’s global) or publically giving up on the U.S. because of POTUS, three letter agencies, attitudes, etc. is not helping you win the many Americans over that may join you in some cause.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by akie »

TylerLives wrote: post #180
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that EU surveillance is greater than US surveillance is almost certainly mistaken. In fact, a huge reason that the EU is looking to move away from U.S. commercial providers is that they can’t guarantee they won’t be giving the U.S. govt information about EU users even if they setup completely independent EU based entities. The reason why it might appear that the EU is more heavy handed is because the EU is a…

What about censorship?

What the US media (and Elon Musk) call EU censorship is actually a request to follow EU rules if they want to operate in the EU market. What, exactly, is controversial about that?

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by bigfishrunning »

nottorp wrote: post #26
pu_pe wrote: post #2

> If the EU repeals Article 6 of the Copyright Directive, some smart geeks in Finland could reverse-engineer Apple's bootloaders and make a hardware dongle that jailbreaks phones so that they can use alternative app stores Apple could easily block this, and in the situation described here of a complete rupture with the US, they would no longer operate and sell phones in the EU. If Google decided to do the same, that…

> that essentially leaves Europeans without smartphones ... for about 20 minutes before China steps in. Or Samsung with de Googled Android models.

Lol thank God there are so many companies outside of Europe producing technology

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by VorpalWay »

blell wrote: post #105
silvestrov wrote: post #83

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The easy part of a smartphone to create for EU is the part that is done in the US. The difficult part is the hardware. That is also why the iPhone is produced in Asia. Replacing TSMC is much more difficult than the software.

Creating good smartphone software is not easy. Only Apple has achieved it. Google is close. The rest are so far behind in the race they think they are leading.

Android is open source (decreasingly, but still). A reasonable starting point would be forking it and adding replacements for the proprietary Google Play services, app store etc.

Gobally Android also has a much larger market share than Apple. (Yes the US is the opposite, it is an outlier.)

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by yyyk »

Obvious problem is anticircumvention laws are just as much an interest of the EU and others. These laws pass power from the individual, and the EU (its corps and govs) are just as interested in exercising power over the individual.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by leishman »

akie wrote: post #183
TylerLives wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about censorship?

What the US media (and Elon Musk) call EU censorship is actually a request to follow EU rules if they want to operate in the EU market. What, exactly, is controversial about that?

What’s controversial is that EU rules force censorship.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by gradus_ad »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #145
Quothling wrote: post #4

I've spent a couple of decades in the Danish public sector of digitalisation and in the private sector for global green energy. 10 years ago people would've laughed if you talked about leaving Microsoft and iOS in enterprise. Now we all have contingency plans for just that, and a lot of organisations are already actually doing it. So I would argue that there is more of a crack, but I'm not sure the post-american inte…

The idea that EU surveillance is greater than US surveillance is almost certainly mistaken. In fact, a huge reason that the EU is looking to move away from U.S. commercial providers is that they can’t guarantee they won’t be giving the U.S. govt information about EU users even if they setup completely independent EU based entities. The reason why it might appear that the EU is more heavy handed is because the EU is a…

Regulate (censor) =/= surveil

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by petcat »

akie wrote: post #183
TylerLives wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about censorship?

What the US media (and Elon Musk) call EU censorship is actually a request to follow EU rules if they want to operate in the EU market. What, exactly, is controversial about that?

Is this suggesting that China also does not require strict censorship / "follow the rules"?

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by postexitus »

exceptione wrote: post #90
nine_k wrote: post #79

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Open-source software was created by people who wanted to address their own needs, and we're lucky that we share the same needs. Commercial software companies and media companies were and are unhappy about that, because they lost control and profits. Regulated, constrained versions of Internet are being built by governments and some large corporations, to meet their needs. While EU's constraints may look benign (even…

It isn't that hard. A democracy can be maximally liberal, including the internet, up to the Tolerance Paradox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance The people that govern Big Tech have said as much as that they don't believe in democracy, they show they don't believe in fair markets, and they are put to work to implement the threats of a crazy but powerful clique, attacking free and social democracies w…

Tolerance Paradox is not a "Tolerance Threshold" - it's a Paradox. You cannot be maximally liberal "up to Tolerance Paradox" - as soon as you are maximally liberal to any threshold, you are no longer liberal - hence the paradox.
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