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Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by phantasmish »

greenavocado wrote: post #114
_vqpz wrote: post #113

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The moderation team makes no difference on how people here interact with each other and the posts.

It absolutely does

Any troll or shitposter who can't operate extremely effectively on HN isn't very good at it.

The site basically has a house style for those activities, and you can go crazy insulting and stirring people up all day long and not get moderated for it, as long as you stick to the approved style. Bonus: if you're not just half-competent, but actually good, you can probably get people calling you out on your behavior moderated, if they don't beat around the bush about it in just the right ways! That's why the majority of posts on here are trolling and shitposting, or fallout thereof.

If you stay under the moderation radar, trolling this place is like shooting fish in a barrel, even easier than most sites (no, I've not done it, but it's very obviously most of what goes on here). If the site cared about this, it'd have ignore-lists.

Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

squigz wrote: post #81
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #38

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> It’s not just facial it’s also gait recognition too Source? Where would they get the fingerprints from?

Fingerprints? Wrong appendages, unless I don't know what "gait" means

What’s the general term for the specific characterization of a personal identifier? We use “fingerprint” for browser identification, for example.

Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by squigz »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #182
squigz wrote: post #81

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Fingerprints? Wrong appendages, unless I don't know what "gait" means

What’s the general term for the specific characterization of a personal identifier? We use “fingerprint” for browser identification, for example.

Oh, fair enough haha given the context I did not consider that definition of it

Perhaps "profile" might work?

Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by Hikikomori »

15155 wrote: post #84
kingkawn wrote: post #20

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In both systems the law is being carefully followed to support inhumane goals

Why do we need to give free stuff to every person that wades across the southern border? What is our legal or moral obligation to eviscerate our already-limited social safety net for outsiders who, by and large, do not contribute to them? You are free to die on the cross and spend your income this way, but how is it "humane" to use violence (taxes) to reappropriate the fruits of my labor for your special interests?

US foreign "policy" is part of why you call them shitholes, then you wonder why they come there.

Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by array_key_first »

15155 wrote: post #158
array_key_first wrote: post #153

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> Illegal immigrants are absolutely a net-negative financial, quality-of-life drain on society at large. I mean - source? Or are we just talking out of our asses? Just intuitively, most immigrants pay taxes because they work regular jobs. And they're exempt from most social safety nets, too. How are they a net negative? Aren't we, basically, exploiting them, and not the other way around? I live in Texas, and looking…

> most immigrants pay taxes because they work regular jobs Source? Or are we just talking out of our asses? "Most" means something. > And they're exempt from most social safety nets, too Emergency rooms, census, etc. all still apply. > How are they a net negative? - Remittances directly take money out of our economy - Per capita, as with most citizens , they cannot and do not pay their percentage of the government ta…

I don't think slave labor is good or desirable, but I do think that, obviously, that's not exploitative for the slaver. The slaver is not the one being exploited in that relationship.

I just don't see how they're a strain on us, like, at all. And I actually live in Texas. Yes there's a lot of theories and conjecture, but I think most of it is, frankly, made up.

It's trivial, truly trivial, to eradicate illegal immigration for good. Just make a law where if you hire an illegal immigrant, your executives go to jail. The problem would solve itself expiditiously.

But the GOP would never propose anything close to that, because they don't want to reduce illegal immigrantation. They don't. It's one of their greatest vectors of exploitation and one of the few factors that makes some red states economically viable.

So, if you're operating under the assumption ANY of this is for the purpose of reducing illegal immigration, you've been conned.

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Post by lovich »

lenocinor wrote: post #180
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #176

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> You should read up on China's credit score I could really say the same to you. Emphasizing original sources, not summaries. > In effect, it does little more than the US credit scores that inspired it “Little more” does a lot of heavy lifting here. The nuclear bomb was inspired by the explosive power of TNT.

I’m often not a fan of the Chinese government’s practices, but I think the parent is right here personally. I think Wikipedia does a nice job discussing it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_credit_system#Misconcep...

Thank you.

It is infuriating to see my fellow countrymen criticize another system so heavily, when we are living under a largely similar system.

Especially after finding out that the current credit score system was only adopted in 1989, so it’s just another yoke millennials and younger have to live with, that our forefathers got to start their adult life without having to deal with

Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by bakies »

15155 wrote: post #168
bakies wrote: post #165

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My point was "your people" are financing unskilled lawbreakers with or without immigrants. Also "your people" are immigrants.

> financing unskilled lawbreakers with or without immigrants So why invite more? > Also "your people" are immigrants Stop conflating legal and illegal immigrants: this strategy doesn't work as well in writing.

dont act like you care about laws

Re: ICE is using facial-recognition technology to quickly arrest people

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Post by thrance »

SauciestGNU wrote: post #137
thrance wrote: post #92

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I don't think this is a useful framework for understanding these issues. What you are saying can, in essense, boil down to "any law enforcement is bad". ICE and its inhumane practices are just symptoms of an increasingly authoritarian administration that receives sufficient mandate from the population to push for increasingly authoritarian practices. The tools are just that, tools. The situation will keep getting wor…

I think we're finally seeing the culture that's been present in law enforcement forever playing out to its logical end. The solution is pretty close to "all law enforcement is bad". We're seeing that the people most prone to violence and abuse seek out positions of power in law enforcement. Basically anyone who wants to be a cop should not be allowed to be a cop. We can blame autocrats while also blaming the complici…

I usually fall in the "all law enforcement is bad" part of the population too. But I don't think law enforcement in any society has ever not attracted these type of people you describe. I believe the "culture that's been present in law enforcement forever" you describe is completely unchanged.

To me, the more interesting question would be: why is law enforcement getting away with so much as of late? And the answer ties back to the current administration and the signicant part of the population behind them. If so many americans weren't cheering on ICE and cie., none of this would fly and it would blow over almost immediately. You get authoritarianism when authoritarian thinking wins. Authoritarian thinking wins when complex socio-political and socio-economical reasons I don't care to go into today.

The main thing I'm trying to say here, I guess, is that I reject the slippery slope fallacy ("get age verification today, get 1984 tomorrow"). If you want to fight authoritarian practices, find their source and fight that instead (the "how" is left as an exercise to the reader).

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Post by _vqpz »

otterley wrote: post #161
_vqpz wrote: post #119

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> Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I didn't say it was turning into reddit, I said they suffer from the same problems
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