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A website to destroy all websites

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Re: A website to destroy all websites

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Post by bentcorner »

esseph wrote: post #144
arjie wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that social networks are not meant to be moderated at scale. We are meant to have what I call 'overlay networks': we occupy the same infrastructure but see content filtered to the style that befits us. Most social networks have the notion of friend symmetry, but I think that read-time filtering needn't be like that. To that end, I made a trivial Chrome extension and an equivalent CRUD backend that just helps…

Beware of trapping yourself in a manufactured social bubble of emotional comfortable

Is that bad?

I black-hole plenty of sites via pihole above and beyond the typical adblock lists. On a very few rare occasions I have turned off the pihole to unblock a site because I was curious after following a link that was blocked by said pihole. Every single time I quickly learned why that site was blocked, and visiting that site gained me nothing.

Re: A website to destroy all websites

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Post by CGamesPlay »

garganzol wrote: post #179

To give it a different light: by using an indie web approach (i.e. self host), there is an intrinsic guarantee that a publisher has put at least some effort and resources to make their materials public. This ensures that the published materials have certain authenticity and inherent amount of quality. Publishing them "the indie way" functions as a kind of proof of work: not a guarantee of excellence, but evidence tha…

> To sum it up: this is not so much a problem of the internet as a lack of discernment among its users.

This is very true. I've found that there's more good content than there ever was before, but that there's also much more bad content, too, so the good is harder to find.

RSS helps me, curated newsletters help me. What else helps build this discernment?

Re: A website to destroy all websites

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Post by gmd63 »

krapp wrote: post #177
gmd63 wrote: post #136

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You've convinced me, I'm going to stop complaining about corporate slop and the connection between big tech / VCs and the awful political situation in the most advanced country in the world. I will try to glaze Liquid Glass from here on out, say some nice things about the richest man on earth who kept quiet about the fact that he pays people to grind video games for him, and make sure to give David Sacks and Jason Ca…

The compulsion to interpret people's comments in bad faith then retort with condescending snark is a problem too. But hey, at least it isn't memes, right?

I don't think I misinterpreted the condescension you dished out by blanket labeling a trend of mostly valid critique as psychological compulsion and performative misanthropy.

Re: A website to destroy all websites

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Post by jppope »

Pandora's box has been opened, per the story all that remains is hope. You can't go back in time and change history.

If you want to make a better world from a better internet you need to save people from the tyranny of the marginal user (https://nothinghuman.substack.com/p/the-tyranny-of-the-margi...). It's not the web, its the people. Those people incentivize enshittification. People will need to change, not the companies, the government, or the creators... the supply is purely filling this demand. The indie web isn't going to help a grandma see photos of her grand kids as easily as facebook will. And the indie web won't help you find a used guitar as well as craigslist will.

Re: A website to destroy all websites

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Post by Kholin »

Aurornis wrote: post #25

I think the comments here are a great example of why this idea always sounds better in nostalgic reminiscence than in practice: As I write this, nearly half of the comments here are complaining about this website. There are complaints about requiring JavaScript, the font size, the design, the color choices, the animations. Complaints about everything the designer did to make this site unique and personal, which was t…

Actually they could turn on reader view mode if they use Firefox, because this is website, all content present as the W3C standards, users could read the content as any form as they like.

Re: A website to destroy all websites

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

Levitz wrote: post #99

This felt so detached from reality to me that I attempted to check if the author was even old enough to have experienced the old web. The current state of things is not something that spawned out of nowhere. It's not some random trend. 2008 happened and normal people got online. That is basically the whole story. It is not coming back because people are not going to log off, as a matter of fact it's only going to get…

> This felt so detached from reality to me that I attempted to check if the author was even old enough to have experienced the old web [ ... ] 2008 happened and normal people got online.

Some of us remember Eternal September, roughly 15 years early than 2008.

Re: A website to destroy all websites

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Post by krapp »

gmd63 wrote: post #183
krapp wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The compulsion to interpret people's comments in bad faith then retort with condescending snark is a problem too. But hey, at least it isn't memes, right?

I don't think I misinterpreted the condescension you dished out by blanket labeling a trend of mostly valid critique as psychological compulsion and performative misanthropy.

You certainly did, because I wasn't referring to valid critique.

Re: A website to destroy all websites

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Post by basket_horse »

twitchisntgood wrote: post #180
moshun wrote: post #172

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Agree with a lot that you’re saying here but with a rather large asterisk (*). I think that ecosystems like YT are useless to the wider web and collective tech stack unless those innovations become open (which Alphabet has a vested interest in preventing). If YT shut down tomorrow morning, we’d see in a heartbeat why considering them a net benefit in their current form is folly. It is inherently transitory if one gro…

This conversation on YT reminds me intimately of all the competition Twitch got over time. By all accounts, Mixer was more technologically advanced than Twitch is right now, and Mixer died 5 years ago. Even Valve of all people made a streaming apparatus that was more advanced than Twitch's which had then innovative features such letting you rewind with visible categories and automated replays of moments of heightened…

The one sitting at the throne is the one with the content, not the one with the tech. People don’t care about frivolous features. There are like 20 different streaming services, I’m sure some have better tech than others but ultimately people are only paying attention to what shows they have

Re: A website to destroy all websites

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

dinobones wrote: post #11

I used the early web. I miss forums, I miss the small webmaster, I miss making fun, small websites to share with friends. And while you could make the argument that these forms of media were superior to TikTok, I’d also argue that this is mostly just taste. While we have closed ecosystems now, they’re much easier to make and share content to than the web of the past. It’s much easier to get distribution and go viral.…

> I used the early web. I miss forums, I miss the small webmaster, I miss making fun, small websites to share with friends.

None of these things are gone. They're just not new anymore for a lot more people, and they probably have significantly less social impact and cachet. But that's all.

Re: A website to destroy all websites

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Post by mmaunder »

Ad driven centralization bad. Go make independent websites using open standards. I just saved you 5 mins.

This spends a lot of time on mood setting and analogy and doesn’t address: network effects, discovery economics, hosting and maintenance costs, security, spam and abuse mitigation, user incentives.

It’s aspirational rather than operational.

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