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Resistance training load does not determine hypertrophy

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Re: Resistance training load does not determine hypertrophy

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You cannot be strong without being big and you cannot be big without being strong. Of course there are levels to this, variations within “weight classes”… but in general this holds true. Also consistency trumps any program.

False.

Strength as measured by mostly powerlifting is impacted by a huge factor by the body mechanics, i.e the length of the various body parts, secondarily by tendon attachments and then finally by variations in tissues

Re: Resistance training load does not determine hypertrophy

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I thought it was already well understood/researched that it's not the weights that matter, but effectively taking your sets to muscular failure. While one might think "I can do 50 reps with low weights" there is practical aspects to this - you don't wand to spend hours at the gym, and doing heavy weights at 5-7 reps is sufficient as long as you are close or at muscular failure.

There are a few issues with taking every set to failure, the most important being that it will substantially increase your risk of injury. It sounds great until you consider compounds like the deadlift that can ruin your back if your form is bad, and by definition, going to failure means your form will be imperfect at some point. There are lots of macho powerlifters out there with permanently ruined spines who will p…

Your point about the injury risk going up is valid. That being said going to failure and beyond is extremely effective way to train.

As I mentioned in another comment a possibile way to mitigate the risks is to reduce the load and make the exercise harder and increase the time under load by slowing down the exercise.

Also it's a good idea to swap from a higher risk exercise to a safer one to crank out the last reps. For example from squat to leg press.

Re: Resistance training load does not determine hypertrophy

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post #181

You cannot be strong without being big and you cannot be big without being strong. Of course there are levels to this, variations within “weight classes”… but in general this holds true. Also consistency trumps any program.

False. Strength as measured by mostly powerlifting is impacted by a huge factor by the body mechanics, i.e the length of the various body parts, secondarily by tendon attachments and then finally by variations in tissues

Thats the variation within the classes. And there will always be outliers, but even if you look at bodybuilders in 100+ kg, they are not what you’d call weak even if they don’t optimize for strength.

Re: Resistance training load does not determine hypertrophy

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It's definitely way more nuanced than that. You have to approach exhaustion to get the body to eventually build strength. But you need to carefully time your rests/deloads and handle plateaus with more volume.

Where could I find more information on proper set timing?

This guy has a PhD in exercise science and is a very evidence based dude and breaks things down very nicely.

https://youtu.be/DupQfkoI-Sc?si=QK_w2d99TcvNcQsD

Re: Resistance training load does not determine hypertrophy

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It’s worth noting that muscle is not all the same. If you’re just into bodybuilding then sure, proximity to failure is what matters. For athletics though, there still seems to be a big impact in the rep range you work in.

This. Muscles can be optimized for volume/endurance or power, or some balance between them. Taking legs as an example: Powerlifters obviously go for pure power, whereas runners need a bit of power but mostly endurance, whereas cyclists need more power than runners but more endurance than powerlifters. All of these benefit from weight training, but depending on the sport, the programming will be very different.

Since I'm nitpicking let me point out that powerlifters train for strength. Power is an altogether different (though related to a degree) muscular/neurological characteristic. Power would be more closely related to olympic weightlifters or sprinters/shot-putters etc. Endurance could also be broken into alactic/lactic/aerobic capacity which makes a huge difference at the margins where athletic excellence is made. Nits aside your description is 90% there.

Re: Resistance training load does not determine hypertrophy

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>While one might think "I can do 50 reps with low weights" The caveat is that you need anaerobic training. Low enough weight and it’s cardio, you don’t get giant legs by walking to failure for example.

I don't know. All cyclists I know seem to have massive thighs. And these are amateurs who don't do any kind of strength training, just hours and hours of cycling every week.

There's a difference between the guys who cycle Tour de France vs the ones who go around in the velodrome.

The former group is endurance athletes with skinny legs and the latter group is more focused on maximum power. Similar to marathon runners vs sprinters.

The pro velodrome cyclists do tremendous leg training programs specifically to develop the muscles. It's not the cycling that builds that muscle.

Re: Resistance training load does not determine hypertrophy

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post #181

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False. Strength as measured by mostly powerlifting is impacted by a huge factor by the body mechanics, i.e the length of the various body parts, secondarily by tendon attachments and then finally by variations in tissues

Thats the variation within the classes. And there will always be outliers, but even if you look at bodybuilders in 100+ kg, they are not what you’d call weak even if they don’t optimize for strength.

Relative to their size a lot of them are weak.

Again despite size it's the body mechanics that determine most the physical lifting capability of any individual in any particular lift.

Re: Resistance training load does not determine hypertrophy

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Steroid use has been shown to increase muscle in untrained males by around 25-30% I believe, without adding any exercise. That doesn't accomplish too much. If you want any worthwhile results, you will still have to train, although the steroids produce significantly more results for the same investment.

Andre the Giant said he never worked out, he just wrestled. He had some kind of growth hormone disorder, if I recall. Think about gorillas, who are pretty similar to us - they don't lift weights in the gym, do they?

Andre the Giant was also not particularly athletic or healthy. He was just a huge guy caused by disruption in the growth hormone at some point in his life and he died of alcoholism.

Re: Resistance training load does not determine hypertrophy

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If I read this correctly the gist is that it does not matter if you use heavy weights with few reps (common body builder wisdom) or lighter weights with more reps. As long as you always exercise to complete muscle fatigue you'll get the maximum for your genetics (which itself varies a lot).

There's no way this works in practice. A lot of heavy lifting (maximums) is about neurology and mind-body training. You cannot develop the ability to deadlift 405lbs by spending 2 hours using a cable crossover machine every day. Picking up something that weighs 2x more than you do requires your brain to send an extremely strong, synchronized signal. This is something that takes a lot of practice to develop. You have…

This is very interesting and explain why construction workers can lift 200kg but when they migrate to body building they lost that ability less that a year later.

Re: Resistance training load does not determine hypertrophy

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Why is this article showing up on New Year's Day like the flock of newbie gym customers attracted to the gym only to quit 30 days from now? Every year without fail.

Let's ignore this article for a moment.

Overall factors that REALLY matter building muscle: 1. Consistency - Working out each muscle group at least once a week....every week. 2. Diet - Making sure you are consuming enough protein in your diet, approximately 1gram/pound of body weight...or near it or even best you can. Total calories consumed a day should match any online calculator for your age and activity level. 3. Sleep! 4. Sleep! 5. Vary your workout - some weeks high reps low weight and some weeks low reps high weight. Why? Never let your body know what you're doing and shock it as best you can. Always try to exert yourself enough to be sore within 48 hours of a workout.

Now multiply this over a few years.

Stop reading these studies thinking there is some optimal way! It's just hard work over time.

BTW: In winter I bench press 350 pounds or 159KG. I run 10KM or 6.1 miles twice a week and increase it a little bit in summer. I pull my body in two different directions because I love both.

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