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2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by akimbostrawman »

p_ing wrote: post #126
Zetaphor wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux ages like WINE, Windows ages like milk. The incentives for improving Linux are driven only in part by commercial interests, and those interests are not completely centralized. Windows' fate is entirely in the hands of the current Microsoft leadership, and they seem hellbent on extracting maximum value from their users while ignoring the suffering their "Continuous Innovation" creates. It's almost as if they wan…

If the heavy WINE support continues, there will never be a Year of the Linux Desktop because all software will continue to be perpetually Win32 -- OS/2 already proved out this path of [full] compatibility.

>OS/2 already proved out this path of [full] compatibility.

it is not the 1980s anymore. majority of apps are for better or worse in the browser or cross platform with electron.

Wine is merely a stepping stone for adoption because some software compatibility is a hard requirement for user to even considered another platform as an alternative, without these user there won't be any native development to begin with proven by the failure of the original steam machine.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by martin1975 »

Sounds like Windows needs to undergo a similar evolution, or rather, renewal as what OS 9 did moving to OS X. I'm not sure what that might look like, but the easiest route is to probably rebase Windows atop Linux, with a WINE emulation layer to start with to keep compatibility with old apps, as they transition/port their cash cows to Linux/Rust. Rust has been in their sights for a long time now and seems MS is committed to it. They have a 4+ decade long legacy and it needs to be shed, not hauled into the future forever. It will breathe new life into MS. They know they need it. Question is, is Nadella the one to pull this off?

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by lostmsu »

p_ing wrote: post #136
lostmsu wrote: post #123

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Kernel is almost perfect these days. Can't say the same about user environment. Explorer and shell are buggiest ever.

Explorer is the shell ;) But Explorer has had it's fair share of issues. I have a 98SE machine to prove the stalls, lockups, lack of refreshing directories, etc...

Not anymore, not entirely. Start menu and taskbar are now in a separate thing I believe. Welcome to 20s!

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by p_ing »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #181
p_ing wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the heavy WINE support continues, there will never be a Year of the Linux Desktop because all software will continue to be perpetually Win32 -- OS/2 already proved out this path of [full] compatibility.

>OS/2 already proved out this path of [full] compatibility. it is not the 1980s anymore. majority of apps are for better or worse in the browser or cross platform with electron. Wine is merely a stepping stone for adoption because some software compatibility is a hard requirement for user to even considered another platform as an alternative, without these user there won't be any native development to begin with prov…

As a developer, why target Linux in all it's permutations with an unstable ABI when I can target the only stable Linux ABI -- Win32?

If WINE fills the gap (and it largely does), there's zero reason to create native Linux builds. That's simply more bugs and more headaches for devs.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by [deleted] »

tavavex wrote: post #130
autoexec wrote: post #72

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The drug is the dream of replacing their serfs (you) with robots. They feel like what passes for AI is sooo close, and they're willing to destroy everything and anything to make their dream reality, but I think they're going to be disappointed. Until they face reality we're all going to increasingly suffer.

Not even really "Until they face reality". I think "we're all going to increasingly suffer" suffices. Not to be too provocative, but I think that even if LLMs don't quite pan out for what they dream of using them for, there's still about a billion other things that can be tightened up to make your life more miserable and their lives more profitable. More ads, more abusive trickery, more 'attestation'/'safety'/'integr…

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Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by Volundr »

Aurornis wrote: post #68

I did a clean install of Windows 11 when Windows 10 went EOL. From all of the complaints I was hearing from headlines I expected a disastrous experience. But to be honest, it’s been fine. I’m not a heavy user but I switch to the Windows PC at least once a day for a few hours of CAD, gaming, and one other engineering program that is Windows only. I don’t click any of the AI buttons. I declined the OneDrive or backup s…

> I declined the OneDrive or backup sync or whatever it was and it’s gone.

It is? How? Mine comes back every 30 days and there is no "fuck off, I never want this" button.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by wilsonnb3 »

martin1975 wrote: post #182

Sounds like Windows needs to undergo a similar evolution, or rather, renewal as what OS 9 did moving to OS X. I'm not sure what that might look like, but the easiest route is to probably rebase Windows atop Linux, with a WINE emulation layer to start with to keep compatibility with old apps, as they transition/port their cash cows to Linux/Rust. Rust has been in their sights for a long time now and seems MS is commit…

How would rebuilding Windows on top of Linux help anything? Nobody is complaining about the NT kernel and none of the Linux DEs are clearly superior to the Windows userland, they all have at least as many bugs and warts.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by wilsonnb3 »

SunshineTheCat wrote: post #17
areoform wrote: post #10

I'm a macos / linux user who bought a second-hand windows PC last year for CAD and games. Windows 11 is worse than you think it is. It's worse than the data harvesting (which required two hours to turn off), irritating ads (for an OS you pay for) and generally schizophrenic UX (don't get me started on the Start menu). The Windows team has gone far beyond typical bugs. They're introducing new classes of bugs; one day…

As someone who has been primarily Mac for most of my life, I started using a Windows machine fairly recently for work. I'm tied down to the Windows eco-system (Teams, Outlook, etc). I still haven't gotten use to the idea of every link in Microsoft apps opening in Edge regardless of your settings. This might seem like a small thing, but the entire UX seems to be designed around benefiting Microsoft, not the user.

This is the fault of whoever is administrating your Windows machines, Teams and Outlook are perfectly capable of opening links in your configured default browser.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by p_ing »

odie5533 wrote: post #177
i80and wrote: post #154

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This sort of thing has been a devolving disaster since the Settings App was included in Windows 8 as a partial replacement for the Control Panel. I'm not sure the current state of things, but as of the last time I used Windows, the sets of functionality remained only partially overlapping between the two different tools.

The partial overlap has been in this state now for years and years. I still have to access the control panel for network device control, sound control, and some of the advanced sharing settings. I thought it would be a short transition but now we just have crappy partial duplicates of settings and ui styles scattered around this half baked migration. When I open the disk volume management it's like I'm back on Window…

Regular volume management can be done entirely within the Settings app. So can sound settings. There's probably an outlier that diskmgmt does better, I'm sure. But diskpart still exists, too. It could be that MSFT targets only the common scenarios and the fallback ends up being old utils/PowerShell at some point.

This was new in 2025, so it is still moving over.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by shmerl »

Zopieux wrote: post #37

Why does anyone still go through the trouble, for personal use, of buying and fighting against Windows terrible design decisions and crappy implementations, when there are so many great alternatives?

Linux usage is clearly increasing, so that answers your question.
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