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HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Would they not just let you keep the account but not use their app in that case?

Some banks only provide access via apps (at least in the UK) so loosing access to the app also means you loose access to the bank account.

Ah. I've never come across this in the US - every bank I've seen also has a website. The only thing the apps do that the website won't is mobile check deposit typically.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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> have ties This is doing a lot of work. at what point person starts or stops having ties with russia? if you have any siblings or parents or grandparents or cousins or classmates or ex girlfriends who are living in Russia? I know a bunch of foreigners with stronger ties to Russia than some of my Russian friends by this logic my friend;) especially Ukrainians and Israelis but really anywhere in the world. debank them…

Not sure what your point is, I'm not arguing for debanking anyone related or having ties to Russia, in any way. But I do understand there are victims of other circumstances here, and that has a collateral victims (which again, I don't want, but it is the reality). You're arguing against a point no one here made.

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> We are rapidly losing our freedoms to the will of these companies. If they decide they don't want to they can even if the law doesn't forbid it.

I asked some questions to see how solid your reply was. seems not very. you basically say nah, no one is losing freedom, people are only sanctioned if they have

this

> Nor have I heard anyone being sanctioned by the US in the EU unless they're Russia-related somehow

means you heard of ppl are arbitrarily sanctioned unless there is a specific criteria for what means Russia related

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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EU paid Russia since the full scale Russian aggression more money for gas, oil, coal etc. than to support Ukraine. By that logic almost all EU citizens has ties to Russia as they use electricity/gas partially supplied by Russia.

The largest buyer is Hungary, which is not representative of the EU in general to put it mildly, but a darling of the American far-right. Hungary has also been blocking many of EU's support initiatives: https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-ministers-outrageous-hung...

Hungary reexports Russian gas to some other European countries though...

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Banks in the UK take partial liability for their customers succumbing to scams, and refund lost funds unless customers go out of their way to ignore warnings.

Loss of control of devices is undeniably part of the scam lifecycle. Faking and intercepting messages from banks is a large part of that. An antivirus needs global permissions.

All of that being true, you don't have to be a contortionist to understand why they might want to lock down client devices as far as they can. Google happens to offer them an easy method.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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At least in Switzerland banks can choose to not use Play Integrity, but they generally don't want to. Yuh, which once was owned by both Postfinance and Swissquote, works without Play Integrity. Support for GrapheneOS is confirmed - see https://github.com/PrivSec-dev/banking-apps-compat-report/is... The real issue is that most "legacy" banks have to comply with stupid regulations that force them to come up with these…

If they get enough complaints "the app doesn't work, please fix it or close my account" they'll fix it because they don't want to close more than a few accounts.

No, unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case. At least from experience :(

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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I switched away due to HSBCs final straw for me being blocked due to not using the phone built in keyboard. Apparently using an open source keyboard runs the risk of my keypresses being shared with a 3rd party. Unlike Googles keyboard?

Same reason here. It didn't like Florisboard.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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In Barcelona it is impossible to get an appointment for the residence card. There is online booking system, but it never shows any available slots. But then there are few companies that for 50-100 euros can get an appointment. But then even with appointment one only gets a temporary permit unless one already got a job offer. One gets the permanent card only after starting a business or buying a property or getting a…

If you're an EU citizen you by definition have a permanent permit, until either your country of origin or host country leaves the EU. If you are not then woe be you, but that's a separate matter.

In theory yes, one can stay in Spain as a citizen of a EU country indefinitely. In practice for anything in Spain you need a tax number. Even to get an Internet connection at home one needs it.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Plenty of UK banks that don't require this, and whose apps will also work on a rooted device. Monzo will display a warning that sets out the fact there's an increased risk, and then lets you be an adult and choose to continue to use the app if that's what you want to do. The best part is that the Current Account Switching Service makes it very easy to make the jump from a legacy bank like HSBC.

They've all started cracking down, in the past year the Barclays and Lloyds app have broken on my phone. TSB still works for now, but even for a bank they're technologically incompetent so I'm going to just assume they're behind the curve rather than willingly not using SafetyNet. The only one I would bank on still working in the future is Monzo, since, like you say, they detect it and just give you scary warning and…

Barclays have always played silly games with this stuff, they used to fund a whole team whose job it was to waste time on security theatre (this was nearly ten years ago).

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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That's Google's SafeNet. HSBC picked a level that causes this. Google manages the blacklist of apps. We are rapidly losing our freedoms to the will of these companies. If they decide they don't want to they can even if the law doesn't forbid it. People in Switzerland and the EU are being de-banked by local banks because of US pressure allowing them to force any bank that wants to use USD. The US has started to sancti…

>The US has started to sanction people for free speech resulting in de-banking.

The sanctioned people were "hate-speech" fighters. Which is the most Orwellian branch of Brussels machinery. While it irks me on pure power level, you could hardly imagine people more deserving to be taken couple of pegs down.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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In Barcelona it is impossible to get an appointment for the residence card. There is online booking system, but it never shows any available slots. But then there are few companies that for 50-100 euros can get an appointment. But then even with appointment one only gets a temporary permit unless one already got a job offer. One gets the permanent card only after starting a business or buying a property or getting a…

If you're an EU citizen you by definition have a permanent permit, until either your country of origin or host country leaves the EU. If you are not then woe be you, but that's a separate matter.

That's not actually the case, strictly speaking. Residence in another EU country requires meeting certain criteria even if some countries (like the UK when it was in the EU) do not check or really enforce them. This also means that an EU citizen can be deported from another EU country back to their home country if they don't meet those criteria.

"Permanent residence" is also again different and requires residence under those criteria for at least 5 years.

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