Classic patriarchy!
Fathers’ choices may be packaged and passed down in sperm RNA
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Re: Fathers’ choices may be packaged and passed down in sperm RNA
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
> savescumming Savecumming?
Slang term for frequently reloading game state from recent save when a non-ideal outcome occurs. E.g. this method can be used to collect rare outcomes from a RNG-based game event.
Wait until these people find out what “scum” (as in scumbag) is a slang term for
Re: Fathers’ choices may be packaged and passed down in sperm RNA
#183Acknowledging this sort of theory was considered pseudoscience for many years, in the realm of epigenetics. I'm glad the gatekeepers are coming around to finally acknowledge this as real science. Now we just need a designated media personality to communicate it to the masses. After that, I can finally have a conversation about it without people casting me as a lunatic.
Re: Fathers’ choices may be packaged and passed down in sperm RNA
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
I and others generally don't quote things that aren't relevant to the point we're making and I'm not keen on the crypt-accusation. I didn't say that there aren't downstream molecular effects--clearly there are. Rather, the article is very unclear about the nature of epigenetics, and the wording about "transmitting traits" is misleading at best and leads to many unwarranted conclusions, as evidenced in the comments he…
In the “paternal exercise” case the trait isn’t the habit of exercising, it’s the metabolic changes of exercise that are (apparently) conferred to both father and offspring.
You're completely missing the point that I explicitly stated. The trait that is purportedly being transmitted is metabolic changes that confer some advantage, but that's not what's being measured in the father, "exercise" is--not a word was said about fathers having better metabolic health, just that they "exercise". Which is reason to be skeptical of the claim.
Re: Fathers’ choices may be packaged and passed down in sperm RNA
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You took a left-turn I certainly didn't; I simply quoted a sentence from the article. (I've noticed that some people have difficulty distinguishing between the person who quotes something and the person being quoted ... it might be a Sally-Anne effect.) > It’s the rest of the crap in smokes and vapes to be concerned with. Yes, which makes this article even less reliable.
The part where you said nicotine was a bad habit seemed to be your words, an unquoted section. You can attribute that opinion to the author, or society, or whoever now, if you choose, regardless my point remains: nicotine shouldn’t be filed under “bad habit” by default.
> The part where you said nicotine was a bad habit seemed to be your words
Seriously?
I can't take this as anything other than bad faith.
Re: Fathers’ choices may be packaged and passed down in sperm RNA
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not all epigenetics is regulation of gene expression. The article says "these molecules transmit traits to offspring and that they can regulate embryonic development after fertilization" -- that's from the reporter, but I don't have faith that "transmit traits" is at all accurate--it certainly isn't true in the way that genes express traits. And then they quote an actual epigeneticist saying “We just don’t have reall…
>that's from the reporter, but I don't have faith that "transmit traits" is at all accurate It is pretty accurate, even if we don't understand all details yet. Here's a review article of the current research that's not from a popsci journalist: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-37820-2
That does not in the least address my concern. Again, "it certainly isn't true in the way that genes express traits".
Re: Fathers’ choices may be packaged and passed down in sperm RNA
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is calling someone boomer an insult in itself? I get that saying “boomer ruined the world for all the generations afterwards” is an insult, but the word itself is now considered an insult? Genuinely asking here; the constantly shifting landscape of what one is allowed to say when talking to US Americans is a bit hard for me to navigate and I currently only have online discourse as guidepost (which is like 1000% more…
Your question is disingenuous, as the word "boomer" didn't appear isolated with no context. The statement was "the baby acts like a boomer", which clearly has a pejorative connotation--you yourself recognized this when you asked "Which demographic was casually insulted here? The babies/third children?" ... it's not even possible to think that babies are being insulted without thinking that saying they're like boomers…
> Virtually all statements referring to boomers collectively that aren't purely statistical are pejorative--ageist bigotry.
It's not ageist to have complaints against a specific generation, not the one before, not the one after, with those complaints sticking to that generation as their age changes.
(Whether those complaints are right or wrong on a statistical level is a different issue.)
Re: Fathers’ choices may be packaged and passed down in sperm RNA
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your question is disingenuous, as the word "boomer" didn't appear isolated with no context. The statement was "the baby acts like a boomer", which clearly has a pejorative connotation--you yourself recognized this when you asked "Which demographic was casually insulted here? The babies/third children?" ... it's not even possible to think that babies are being insulted without thinking that saying they're like boomers…
> Virtually all statements referring to boomers collectively that aren't purely statistical are pejorative--ageist bigotry. It's not ageist to have complaints against a specific generation, not the one before, not the one after, with those complaints sticking to that generation as their age changes. (Whether those complaints are right or wrong on a statistical level is a different issue.)
Fine, it's some other sort of stupid ignorant intellectually dishonest bigotry. (Most of the people who get attacked as boomers are actually in the generation before them.)
> Whether those complaints are right or wrong on a statistical level is a different issue.
Only because you have made it one. The word "ageist" was the least part of my comment (but there is in fact a strong ageist element to the pejorative use of the term, contrary to your mischaracterization of the realities of its use ... notably, the people who use it are younger, never older, and have not used it throughout time--they couldn't, as they weren't even born when boomers arrived on the scene and for decades afterwards).
I won't respond further.
Re: Fathers’ choices may be packaged and passed down in sperm RNA
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the “paternal exercise” case the trait isn’t the habit of exercising, it’s the metabolic changes of exercise that are (apparently) conferred to both father and offspring.
You're completely missing the point that I explicitly stated. The trait that is purportedly being transmitted is metabolic changes that confer some advantage, but that's not what's being measured in the father, "exercise" is--not a word was said about fathers having better metabolic health, just that they "exercise". Which is reason to be skeptical of the claim.
Fair enough. It would be a clearer result (more “apples to apples”) if the same trait was directly measured “on both sides”. Thanks for restating.
Edit: typo
Re: Fathers’ choices may be packaged and passed down in sperm RNA
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which demographic was casually insulted here? The babies/third children?
Boomers. How can anyone not grasp that? It's as if the insult is like water to fish, so people don't even perceive it.
Given the number of comments complaining about that specific line, I'd say it's more like bait to fish. Retirement must be boring