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Google is 'gradually rolling out' option to change your gmail.com address

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Re: Google is 'gradually rolling out' option to change your gmail.com address

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I had the same issue with my Hotmail address. I know the address and password, but Microsoft won’t let me login. And they ask ridiculous things like, what emails are in the inbox. I haven’t used this address for 20 years, I just want to access the Hotmail address from when I was a teenager.

Send some emails to the address, then you'll know what is in the inbox :)

Haha that’s clever, I will try this

Re: Google is 'gradually rolling out' option to change your gmail.com address

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Works for google (should!) but man there are some platforms that don’t expose the Totp code, or let you redisplay it! Sometimes they make you remove the old one before you can make a new one, too.

So don't put it off until it is too late -- if you haven't already, regenerate and copy TOTP seeds to paper now . When you set up TOTP on a new account, copy the TOTP seed to paper then and there, resist the "I'll do this later".

If it isn't backed up it doesn't exist.

Corollary (likely unpopular I'd hazard) - hardware token implementations that I can't back up to paper don't exist as far as I'm concerned.

Re: Google is 'gradually rolling out' option to change your gmail.com address

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What last name do your kids use?

> What last name do your kids use? In the country where he lives (Belgium), the parents get to decide which family name the kids get.

But I think you only get to decide for the first kid? All following kids will have the same family name. At least that's the rule in the Netherlands.

Re: Google is 'gradually rolling out' option to change your gmail.com address

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Two things about fronting with your own domain: 1. You have to own that domain forever, until or at least until you're 100% confident that an email intended for you will never be sent to that domain ever again. Even then, there are security risks with giving up the domain. 2. You give up some privacy. You can use mailbox aliases but it doesn't really matter if all the mailboxes are tied to a domain registered to your…

Whois privacy is basically standard these days, no?

Doesn't completely solve the problem. You now have to pay per (unaffiliated) alias since each requires an independent domain. You also become extremely vulnerable to data breaches because rather than learning that foo@provider is john.doe@provider with IP xxx you instead learn that foo@domain is John Doe, phone number, street address, credit card, etc.

This issue goes far beyond email alone. The ICANN domain system effectively rents a string out to you on a temporarily basis and mandates that an Impressum be attached to it. It's a deeply flawed scheme when viewed from the context of both historical hacker culture as well as the fundamental values of a free and open society.

Re: Google is 'gradually rolling out' option to change your gmail.com address

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Oh, finally. I’m one of the first.last@gmail folks, which I assumed would never change when I was 13 years old (hah!). Fast forward a few years, I got married, and am stuck with my old name in the address.

I have a first.last email, but it's created quite the interesting situation. Turns out some dude in Australia has the same first+last name as me, and he's been using firstlast@gmail.com. As far as I can find from Google's documentation, the email with no dots should be the primary and the one with dots an alias, but I'm guessing because I registered mine ages ago (back in 2006) it takes precedence. I have no idea how…

I have exactly the same issue (I get an insane amount of email for other Firstname Surname people that isn't me from various other places in the world), but I'm 100% sure at this point that it's people using the wrong email address, as occasionally when I contact the people to let them know they've emailed the wrong address, they have actually told me the real email address they should have used, and they were missing a number, or in one case it should have been an initial instead of the full first name.

I used to also think that Google were screwing up by allowing a 'clash' of firstname.surname and firstnamesurname, and maybe they did a bit in the 2004-2009 period, but with lots of testing over the years (sending test emails to both), I'm confident now it's 'just' other people's emails getting 'simplified' too much when being told, and it ends up being sent to me.

I do however think Google shouldn't have allowed that alias situation to arise.

I also think (based on the fact that my 'un-dotted' email alias has been successfully used to sign up for various services for the other people) that many online services just have very poor sign-up validations of emails.

Re: Google is 'gradually rolling out' option to change your gmail.com address

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I wish they'd let me recover my original -- I lost my TOTP generator, and the codes I'd written down in a paper notebook were rejected. I even hunted down the electronic copy in case there was a transcription error -- seemed like some failure in their systems was causing me to lose access despite having followed proper procedures. Lost a decade and a half of correspondence dating back to my teenage years. I had impor…

I had the same issue with my Hotmail address. I know the address and password, but Microsoft won’t let me login. And they ask ridiculous things like, what emails are in the inbox. I haven’t used this address for 20 years, I just want to access the Hotmail address from when I was a teenager.

>I just want to access the Hotmail address from when I was a teenager.

Logging in doesn't solve your problem. It gets way worse after you log in [0]. At least now you still have hope.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36000161

Re: Google is 'gradually rolling out' option to change your gmail.com address

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Its from the days when women were property of their man.

It hails from when family lines were important, and you can practically only have one line reflected in a name. Unsurprisingly, most societies considered the male's name to be the dominate lineage of interest, although that doesn't hold true 100% of the time.

> you can practically only have one line reflected in a name

Not true at all. You can trivially have two family names in a full legal name. In fact many cultures do exactly that to this day.

Also worth noting that the male's name being preferentially propagated makes a lot of sense in a society where the best off frequently inherited their vocation from their fathers.

Re: Google is 'gradually rolling out' option to change your gmail.com address

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Yahoo Mail had (has?) a feature that allowed you to set an alternative email address while keeping your original email address intact.

you could be first_last@yahoo.com but also have rando_waldo@yahoo.com or ymail.com receive emails in same mailbox. And you could choose the "From" address form a drop-down when sending outbound emails or replies.

Re: Google is 'gradually rolling out' option to change your gmail.com address

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So don't put it off until it is too late -- if you haven't already, regenerate and copy TOTP seeds to paper now . When you set up TOTP on a new account, copy the TOTP seed to paper then and there, resist the "I'll do this later".

If it isn't backed up it doesn't exist. Corollary (likely unpopular I'd hazard) - hardware token implementations that I can't back up to paper don't exist as far as I'm concerned.

My policy is to enroll multiple WebAuthn keys and treat the second, third etc. key as the backup.
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