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Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #174
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #172

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Humans rejected that and now we’re headed into a global ochlocracy Hope you folks are ready (you’re not)

> Hope you folks are ready (you’re not) I'm American. Why would the largest military on the planet not be ready for rule by might? Revoking Pax Americana (and the rules-based international order it was built on, aspirational as it may have often been) just means our elites can go back to 19th-century rules.

…Which will kick off a new set of revolutions worldwide where small groups of well armed people can compete with state on a more equal footing

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #181
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hope you folks are ready (you’re not) I'm American. Why would the largest military on the planet not be ready for rule by might? Revoking Pax Americana (and the rules-based international order it was built on, aspirational as it may have often been) just means our elites can go back to 19th-century rules.

…Which will kick off a new set of revolutions worldwide where small groups of well armed people can compete with state on a more equal footing

> where small groups of well armed people can compete with state on a more equal footing

Yes. This is happening in Sudan, the DRC, Burma, Yemen, Nicaragua, et cetera. It entertains some people from afar, but is generally a miserable state of affairs for the people on the ground.

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by spwa4 »

thisisit wrote: post #177
spwa4 wrote: post #173

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> .. the current WH has decided science has a bias against them and wants to curb it ... The US spent ~1 trillion dollars on science in 2024, 2025 will be maybe 10% less. The EU spent ~460 billion dollars on science in 2024 ... and 2025 will be 10 to 20% less. So the problem I have here is simple. I mostly agree with you. But European governments, despite having more money to spend, spent less on science, and are tak…

A long whataboutism and defending points which were never made. "What about EU? European governments, despite having more money to spend, spent less on science, and are taking back grants faster than Trump." where have we seen this? Oh yes, the RW who talk about EU "offloading" science to US. I understand this makes for good TV content where the focus is to shift goalposts to new topic. I didn't make the points about…

The topic of this whole thread is that an "US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat" ...

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by idiotsecant »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #147
idiotsecant wrote: post #128

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It's popular to hate the US but I'd like to know what country you think would be better at the role of global hegemon. What country would you suggest would do a better job? Be specific.

It’s a flawed question. The concept that living in a hegemony is acceptable is incoherent.

Oh, so you figured out a way to make people not be terrible. Awesome. How's that work?

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by idiotsecant »

lbrito wrote: post #140
idiotsecant wrote: post #128

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It's popular to hate the US but I'd like to know what country you think would be better at the role of global hegemon. What country would you suggest would do a better job? Be specific.

That's not a hard question. Any country that invaded, plundered and destroyed democracies less than the US has in the last hundred years.

Oh good, I'm glad it's not hard. Which one is that?

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by [deleted] »

embedding-shape wrote: post #163
djaouen wrote: post #105

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> The whole point is working together with opponents for common goals. When your opponent wants you dead, it's a different story! I am just exercising my right to self-defense.

Is that hyperbole or do you have actual violent threats against you at this very moment? I'm not the US, so can't really tell what's going on on the ground, but compared to other situations (namely middle-east some years ago) where people are being told "Do this or you'll end up in that grave over there", is this what is happening in the US today?

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Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by djaouen »

sointeresting wrote: post #155
djaouen wrote: post #105

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> The whole point is working together with opponents for common goals. When your opponent wants you dead, it's a different story! I am just exercising my right to self-defense.

- two assassination attempts on Trump - Kirk assassinated - Ella Cook shot and killed last week at Brown hmmmmm

Are you accusing me, a dirt poor schizophrenic, of somehow orchestrating a clandestine war on The Right Wing?

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by ben_w »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #174
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Humans rejected that and now we’re headed into a global ochlocracy Hope you folks are ready (you’re not)

> Hope you folks are ready (you’re not) I'm American. Why would the largest military on the planet not be ready for rule by might? Revoking Pax Americana (and the rules-based international order it was built on, aspirational as it may have often been) just means our elites can go back to 19th-century rules.

> I'm American. Why would the largest military on the planet not be ready for rule by might?

Two years ago, I would have agreed.

Today? Given what Trump is doing? Kicking out military personal for being trans, his poor choice for (not only but in this topic specifically) Defence Secretary, his demand to redesign stealth warships because he won't accept the un-"aesthetic" look is driven by functional requirements, demanding a return of battleships this time with a railgun (to go with the lasers)?

I think there's a very real risk of the USA military rapidly following the same path as post-soviet Russian military.

Well, I say "risk": I'm European, so for me it's a good thing if the person who is trying to break up my home is more interested in flashy demos than functional weapons.

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

ben_w wrote: post #188
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hope you folks are ready (you’re not) I'm American. Why would the largest military on the planet not be ready for rule by might? Revoking Pax Americana (and the rules-based international order it was built on, aspirational as it may have often been) just means our elites can go back to 19th-century rules.

> I'm American. Why would the largest military on the planet not be ready for rule by might? Two years ago, I would have agreed. Today? Given what Trump is doing? Kicking out military personal for being trans, his poor choice for (not only but in this topic specifically) Defence Secretary, his demand to redesign stealth warships because he won't accept the un-"aesthetic" look is driven by functional requirements, dem…

> there's a very real risk of the USA military rapidly following the same path as post-soviet Russian military

Totally agree. That said, Russia's military is a joke. It's still more than capable of making messes. Messes which were once constrained by the rules-based international order.

Re: US destroying its reputation as a scientific leader – European science diplomat

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Post by tsunamifury »

lawlessone wrote: post #28
tsunamifury wrote: post #19

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While America is appearing to be the abject fool here, it’s hard to take any of Europe’s criticisms like this seriously when even in the best of times they have constantly castigated us as fools. They were calling us fools when we were inventing AI in 2015 too. I think what we are doing today is horribly executed, but likely motivated by a farsightedness Europe can’t believe is there since we are all just dumb fools.…

>They were calling us fools when we were inventing AI in 2015 too. were they? You invented AI in 2015? My Nokia had predictive text over 20 years ago > but likely motivated by a farsightedness Oh you're thinking two quarters ahead now?

I was on googles founding LLM research team so… yes?
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