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The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

#181

It would be great if more GPU competition would enter the field instead of less. The current duopoly is pretty boring and stagnant, with prices high and each company sorta-kinda doing the same thing and milking their market. I'm kind of nostalgic for the Golden Age of graphics chip manufacturers 25 years ago, where we still had NVIDIA and ATI, but also 3DFX, S3, Matrox, PowerVR, and even smaller players, all doing th…

there's intel and they're not bad

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

#182

If they do it'll likely be part of an industry wide push to kill off the home-built PC market. It's no secret that MS and others want the kind of ecosystem Apple has and governments want more backdoor access to tech. And which mfg wouldn't want to eliminate partial upgrades/repairs. Imagine that the only PC you could buy one day has everything tightly integrated with no user serviceable or replaceable parts without a…

You're not thinking big enough. Their ultimate goal is gaming (or any computing really) available only in the cloud.

Even bigger than that, it’s all a slow march to a sort of narcissistic feudalism.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

#183

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You're not thinking big enough. Their ultimate goal is gaming (or any computing really) available only in the cloud.

Maybe then the year of Linux (or OpenBSD?) on the desktop would finally arrive. Maybe anti-trust could get used. Maybe parts could get scrapped from data centres. Interesting times they would be!

It's already here right now, unironically. There's no need for Windows for gaming now. I just build a new rig with a 7900 XTX and with Steam on Arch Linux everything just works with absolutely no hassle or thinking. This was the only value Windows still had and now that's over.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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I work in gamedev, historically AAA gamedev. If you think that the programmers are unmotivated (lazy) or incompetent; you’re wrong on both counts. The amount of care and talent is unmatched in my professional career, and they are often working from incomplete (and changing) specifications towards a fixed deadline across multiple hardware targets. The issue is that games have such high expectations that they didn’t ha…

> The amount of care and talent is unmatched in my professional career, and they are often working from incomplete (and changing) specifications towards a fixed deadline across multiple hardware targets. I fully agree and I really admire people working on the industry. When I see great games which are unplayable in the low end because of stupidly high minimum hardware requirements, I understand game devs are simply r…

the lead time for a new engine is about 7 years (on the low end).

I don’t think any company that has given up their internal engine could invest 7 years of effort without even having revenue from a game to show for it.

So the industry will likely rally around Unreal and Unity- and I think a handful of the major players will release their engines on license… but Unreal will eat them alive due to the investments in Dev UX (which is much-much higher than proprietary game engines IME). Otherwise the only engines that can really innovate are gated behind AAA publishers and their push for revenue (against investment for any other purpose).

All this to say, I’m sorry to disappoint you, its very unlikely.

Games will have to get smaller and have better revenues.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

#185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe then the year of Linux (or OpenBSD?) on the desktop would finally arrive. Maybe anti-trust could get used. Maybe parts could get scrapped from data centres. Interesting times they would be!

It's already here right now, unironically. There's no need for Windows for gaming now. I just build a new rig with a 7900 XTX and with Steam on Arch Linux everything just works with absolutely no hassle or thinking. This was the only value Windows still had and now that's over.

There are still some pain points with Linux distros: With some, an upgrade can leave you unable to boot into a graphical login screen. This can also happen if you leave a Linux installation, like Manjaro, alone for a year and then do an update.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

#186
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This is just DRAM hysteria spiraling out to other kinds of hardware, will age like fine milk just like the rest of the "gaming PC market will never be the same" stuff. Nvidia has Amazon, Google, and others trying to compete with them in the data center. No one is seriously trying to beat their gaming chips. Wouldn't make any sense to give it up.

Took what, four years for PC cases to get back to reasonable prices after COVID? And that’s a relatively low-tech field that (therefore) admits new entrants. I don’t know, I’m not feeling much optimism right now (haven’t at any point after the crypto boom), perhaps because I’ve always leaned towards stocking up on (main) RAM as a cheap way to improve a PC’s performance.

The fact that a case is literally a sheet metal box and can cost $150 is so bewildering to me. All those $400 nas builds like 25% of the cost is literally just the case. CPU might be only $25 and requires an advanced fab lab not just someone with a lasercutter.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

#187

I doubt that this would ever happen. But... If it does, I think it would be a good thing. The reason is that it would finally motivate game developers to be more realistic in their minimum hardware requirements, enabling games to be playable on onboard GPUs. Right now, most recent games (for example, many games built on Unreal Engine 5) are unplayable on onboard GPUs. Game and engine devs simply don't bother anymore…

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I fail to see how my comment could be construed as being pro-monopoly.

There are a huge number of onboard GPUs being left out of even minimum requirements for most recent games. I'm just saying that maybe this situation could led game devs to finally consider such devices as legitimate targets and thus make their games playable on such devices. This is by no means a pro-monopolistic take.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

#188

I don’t understand why most people in this thread think that this would be such a big deal. It will not change the market in significant negative or positive ways. AMD has been at their heals for a couple of decades and is more competitive than ever, they will simply fill their shoes. Most games consoles have been AMD centric for a long time regardless, they’ve always been fairly dominant in the mid range and they ha…

Why would AMD shareholders tolerate them engaging in gaming pc market if Nvidia drops out? They might last a couple years but I mean the writing will be on the wall for them to chase enterprise sales and abandon gamers. Especially when game console manufacturers would prefer you spend $25 a month for life instead of buying a $500 console every 8 years. There won't be an xbox or playstation in your house before long.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

#189

If they do it'll likely be part of an industry wide push to kill off the home-built PC market. It's no secret that MS and others want the kind of ecosystem Apple has and governments want more backdoor access to tech. And which mfg wouldn't want to eliminate partial upgrades/repairs. Imagine that the only PC you could buy one day has everything tightly integrated with no user serviceable or replaceable parts without a…

If they do it all gamers will boycott LLMs. Which would be a godsend. Decades trying to save power, moving to LED, trying to improve efficiency everywhere, and now... We are wasting terawatts in digital parrots.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

#190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's already here right now, unironically. There's no need for Windows for gaming now. I just build a new rig with a 7900 XTX and with Steam on Arch Linux everything just works with absolutely no hassle or thinking. This was the only value Windows still had and now that's over.

There are still some pain points with Linux distros: With some, an upgrade can leave you unable to boot into a graphical login screen. This can also happen if you leave a Linux installation, like Manjaro, alone for a year and then do an update.

manjaro is arch under the hood and arch is supposed to be updated fairly frequently.
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