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Post by knorker »

venturecruelty wrote: post #170
knorker wrote: post #74

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They could also write the comment in French, and by the same argument people should need to go out of their way to copy-paste that into google translate. Thousands of people are going to read this thing. The writer could spare thousands of people spending tens of seconds (totaling days of human life), by simply spending less than a second spelling out the obscure term.

Boy are you going to be surprised when you find out that there is an entire French literary tradition that doesn't concern itself with who does and does not speak the language.

Is this some snarky reddit comment?

Yeah, there are literally billions of people in the world who don't speak English. And yet HN is de facto English.

Do you see many people commenting on HN in French? How's that working out for them? Are they succeeding or failing to communicate?

It seems that people are, for the most part, succeeding in tailoring their message for their audience.

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Post by blueflow »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #176
blueflow wrote: post #158

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> No one in their right mind believes that you can accomplish widespread, high speed communication via "talking to people IRL" like you can with the internet. Nobody claimed that. I'm not sure whether this sort of comms is meaningful at all or whether "staying informed" is just the dopamine thing in effect. > Going back to the stone age Its actually 20 years ago. That's less than the median age.

You think the internet started in 2005? Are you sure you belong here?

Third straw-man in a row. get lost, troll.

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Post by xp84 »

BobbyTables2 wrote: post #127
xp84 wrote: post #93

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I’ve worked with marketer types for over a decade and had them use the initialism “CTA” hundreds of times, understood it, and yet still in this comment I had no idea that they were referencing that term. If this was a UI diagram I’d have had no problem. This seems to me like a case where using an initialism in a different context than it usually appears confuses readers. It would kind of be like saying “I plan to GTM…

What the hell does GTM even mean? How many industries can prosper by defining what the customer should get and have an endless stream of demand in response? Isn’t GTM just “business 101”? I really don’t understand how people can use the term and not realize they are screaming “we’re going to do the basics of what we should have been doing all along”. Imagine if software developers championed a “logic” based approach.

In a B2B company context, the Go-To-Market or GTM team means the whole sales team, plus everybody else who manages customer accounts. Customer Success, etc. as opposed to the product parts of the company.

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Post by NooneAtAll3 »

kreetx wrote: post #40
NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #24

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Little of Russia's mass consumption internet is actual free opinion though. While I do prefer freedom, free speech and people making up their own minds, then if the state is not democratic and if it's propaganda by that it produces, perhaps there is basis to block it?

> if the state is not democratic and if it's propaganda by that it produces, perhaps there is basis to block it?

how do I block ukrainian propaganda then?

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Post by try_the_bass »

tenuousemphasis wrote: post #144
try_the_bass wrote: post #37

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Notably absent from TFA... Probably because it's not actually a truthful characterization of what happened! I know it's popular to find every possible reason to bag on Musk, but you don't need to resort to disinformation to do it.

Are you trying to argue that Starlink isn't cut off Ukrainian access? Because they did and it was well documented.

They didn't, and you're again repeating misinformation as fact.

What happened was that they refused to turn access on for the Crimean region, which is not the same as "cutting off Ukrainian access".

I understand nuance is hard to grasp sometimes, but if you're going to continue to conflate the two things, I can only chalk it up to a desire to deceive.

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Post by MarkusQ »

venturecruelty wrote: post #165
MarkusQ wrote: post #121

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A search engine can tell you what some people mean by the acronym. It can't tell you what this particular author meant. It's like asking an LLM where you left your car keys, or asking Google what your spouse wants for dinner.

I don't see why that's the author's responsibility to manage this for you.

Because... that's how communication works? Managing the understanding that readers will take away from what you've written is a pretty central definition of the author's job.

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Post by kreetx »

crazybonkersai wrote: post #57
kreetx wrote: post #40

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Little of Russia's mass consumption internet is actual free opinion though. While I do prefer freedom, free speech and people making up their own minds, then if the state is not democratic and if it's propaganda by that it produces, perhaps there is basis to block it?

How convenient is to label opinion you do not agree with as propaganda and ban it in the name of free speech. Hypocrisy and narrow-mindedness of so called liberal crowd never ceases to amaze me. Guess what, by large Russian media is no different to any Western media in terms of propaganda and the "us good, them bad" narrative. Russian media advances Russian interests, American media advances American interests and so…

I don't live in the US, but do you think the government determines direction in the media the same way as it does in Russia?

I do get the free speech argument and that the line is thin, but Russian media by large is different from the West: you'll get prosecuted when you start saying the wrong thing.

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Post by BobbyTables2 »

xp84 wrote: post #183
BobbyTables2 wrote: post #127

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What the hell does GTM even mean? How many industries can prosper by defining what the customer should get and have an endless stream of demand in response? Isn’t GTM just “business 101”? I really don’t understand how people can use the term and not realize they are screaming “we’re going to do the basics of what we should have been doing all along”. Imagine if software developers championed a “logic” based approach.

In a B2B company context, the Go-To-Market or GTM team means the whole sales team, plus everybody else who manages customer accounts. Customer Success, etc. as opposed to the product parts of the company.

Again, why wouldn’t that be the common approach?

Involving people who should care doesn’t seem like a revolutionary idea.

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Post by Thorrez »

dylan604 wrote: post #180
Thorrez wrote: post #177

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What about failing over from LEO to geosynchronous? E.g. Viasat?

Is anyone left doing network from GEO? Places like HughesNet were soooo slow that I can't imagine their users have not all switched to Starlink.

Viasat is still doing it.
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