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Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by sh34r »

shmoe wrote: post #160
bink wrote: post #53

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> The price isn't right for small businesses. These trucks are quite expensive They definitely aimed for the luxury market, like Rivian. Who knows how successful they would've been if they aimed for mid-range like Scout. That's the market they claimed to be entering when they started taking reservations. They also could've offered a fleet ready version without the luxury features, but must've decided not to. > They'r…

They also could've offered a fleet ready version without the luxury features, but must've decided not to. They did offer a fleet version.. the "Pro".

I mean, what do we expect from this brainless company that promised a $20k Maverick and let the stealerships mark it up to over $40k?

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by tricolon »

kryogen1c wrote: post #132
exabrial wrote: post #43

I expected the "T word" to come out in the article, however this fails to address any of the practical reasons it isn't a good replacement for the value-engineered F-150: * The price isn't right for small businesses. These trucks are quite expensive * They're difficult to repair. A regular F-150 is designed to be repaired; these things are designed like iPhones to be disposable. * Parts availability is scarce, contra…

This is pretty much dead on. I live in a rural part of the US and there are tons of old, worked-on trucks. The idea that there might be an all-electric f150 hanging out in 40 years is, frankly, laughable. I know a lot of city kids think trucks are some obnoxious luxury good, but they're basically a functional requirement in most of the (very large) country.

> The idea that there might be an all-electric f150 hanging out in 40 years is, frankly, laughable.

Why is it laughable? I'm not following your argument.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by userbinator »

formerly_proven wrote: post #87
omnimus wrote: post #86

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I mean the biggest issue is that “trucks” like F-150 are actually used because of US tax system that exempts such massive vehicles from emmision taxes because they are work trucks. They are pretty ineffective work vehicles but some people just love them as a symbol. That symbolism goes completely against electric/green vehicles. In other words - people who buy F-150 would never buy electric vehicle and people who are…

Ford actually makes a highly practical electric work vehicle. It's called E-Transit.

That's a van, not a pickup truck.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by worthless-trash »

sroerick wrote: post #149
formerly_proven wrote: post #87

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Ford actually makes a highly practical electric work vehicle. It's called E-Transit.

I don't mean this personally against you, please don't take it as such, but the number of people in this thread who seem to have absolutely no idea what a work truck is used for is absolutely wild.

Perhaps this term is specific to americans, however to an Australian a 'work truck/ute' would be used for labour purposes and not for the family, for example hauling materials, transporting tools or as part of the business itself ?

How do you (I assume american) define it ?

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by panopticon »

ninkendo wrote: post #129
bdcs wrote: post #79

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>Oh, an EREV is fancy way to say "hybrid" ok Kind of. EREVs are what locomotives have been doing for a century (and to a lesser extent barges), which is called diesel-electric in that field. I agree the terminology is lacking, but EREVs are quite compelling (and their high market share in China supports consumer demand). Hybrid: * ICE must run during regular operation (except for ~very short distances at ~very slow s…

I guess you’d call my Chrysler Pacifica an “EREV” then. It’s honestly perfect for us. 32 miles on a charge, we barely touch the gas except for the winter when it’s so cold out we need the engine to warm us up. Any other time and the battery is all we need, and it charges overnight on a simple 110V wall outlet. Long trips are still possible, you just drive. We go through maybe 8 tanks of gas per year with our occasion…

No. The ICE isn't connected to the drivetrain in an EREV; it's only used to provide power to the EV drive system.

The Pacifica is what you'd call a plug-in hybrid (PHEV) because the ICE is still connected to the drivetrain.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by kyralis »

sroerick wrote: post #167
nospice wrote: post #98

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> The price isn't right for small businesses. These trucks are quite expensive So are RAM trucks and I don't think they're hurting for customers. I think there are two fundamental issues. One is that pickups are a weirdly-politicized lifestyle choice in the US - i.e., if you're progressive, you're supposed to hate them and see them as the symbol of the gun-totting macho redneck culture, and if you're conservative, yo…

I live in Truck Country, Wyoming If you need a truck for work, you're probably going to be towing in it. Now, some of those guys who are hauling are gonna need a 250 or a 350, but a lot of them will do just fine with the 150. Even if your job isn't hauling, per se, if you work on job sites you wanna be able to haul stuff. Imagine if you showed up to your new Tech Lead job with an 8 year old Chromebook. You'd look a l…

Interestingly, I live in rural Vermont, and there are a surprising number of Rivians around me - including those set up for contractors, complete with scaffolding in the bed with tools and ladders on them.

That said, we have an F250. I'd love to have an electric truck, but I use mine for towing almost exclusively. If I'm hauling a trailer hours away, I really don't need to deal with the hassle of stopping along the way to charge. I've yet to see a charging station set up for conveniently charging an electric vehicle with a trailer.

When we lived the Bay Area a decade ago, we had a Nissan Leaf, one of the early ones. It only got 95 miles to a charge if you were lucky, but for commuting in the South Bay we absolutely loved it.

Here in Vermont? F250 and a Subaru. I'd love to make the second an electric, but no one actually makes a good AWD electric Crosstrek equivalent that's actually designed for dirt roads and not the city.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by sh34r »

nozzlegear wrote: post #142
nebula8804 wrote: post #112

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I guess we will find out if many of these things actually matter with the Slate truck. It is in many ways the antithesis of this electric F-150. If that vehicle fails then there are no more excuses, a significant chunk of Americans just don't like electric vehicles and are destined to be laggards.

I love electric vehicles, but I want something that lands somewhere between the DIY-esque Slate and the literally-costs-more-than-I-paid-for-my-house F-150 Lightning. I have a 23 Chevy Bolt EUV which is the sweet spot for me right now, I just wish it had AWD for the winters where I live.

I want a BYD that costs less than a 2000 Camry did brand new in 2000.

EVs are inherently pretty simple machines. All the complexity is in the battery, and China’s crushing everyone at battery tech. It’s not even close. It’s like a human trying to beat a polar bear in hand to hand combat.

They really need to deregulate the auto industry and let us buy the Yugos with a Jetsons battery. America is a poor country now. Nobody can afford used cars in this economy, never mind new ones.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by ecshafer »

sh34r wrote: post #181
shmoe wrote: post #160

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They also could've offered a fleet ready version without the luxury features, but must've decided not to. They did offer a fleet version.. the "Pro".

I mean, what do we expect from this brainless company that promised a $20k Maverick and let the stealerships mark it up to over $40k?

Ford announced the Maverick, it got so much excitement that it sold out and dealerships sold for over MSRP. So in their infinite wisdom they... didn't make more mid range trucks. Ill never understand these guys.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by JojoFatsani »

exabrial wrote: post #43

I expected the "T word" to come out in the article, however this fails to address any of the practical reasons it isn't a good replacement for the value-engineered F-150: * The price isn't right for small businesses. These trucks are quite expensive * They're difficult to repair. A regular F-150 is designed to be repaired; these things are designed like iPhones to be disposable. * Parts availability is scarce, contra…

The interior is identical to the gas F-150
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