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Going Through Snowden Documents, Part 1

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Re: Going Through Snowden Documents, Part 1

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

sdoering wrote: post #44
jjordan wrote: post #7

If you've ever watched the movie "Enemy of the State", which came out in 1998, I don't know how you can come away from that movie thinking anything other than someone in that script writing pipeline had some insider knowledge of what was happening. So many of the things they talk about in the film were confirmed by the Snowden releases that it's kinda scary. Today, it's almost a national societal resignation that "yo…

The most ironic thing that never came to fruition was an X-Files spinoff [1]. The pilot aired a few months before 9/11. Depiction a plot by the (I believe) CIA to crash a passenger airplane into the WTC. And the three computer freaks/conspiracy theorists that often helped Mulder trying to stop that. I watched it a few months after 9/11 happened. That definitely was an experience I will never forget. Even as a German,…

There is more. This was released in 1995: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati:_New_World_Order

A few other links lazily searched -

The single card depicting it: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/illuminati-world-orde... (zoomable)

The whole set: https://www.ccgtrader.net/games/illuminati-nwo-ccg/limited/

One of countless articles covering that, and related stuff: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

I've held this card (already well used and worn) in my hand, shown to me by someone affiliated with the CCC in Hamburg, who had it always on him in his purse, about 2004/5.

Surreal.

Re: Going Through Snowden Documents, Part 1

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

mistrial9 wrote: post #108
DamnInteresting wrote: post #85

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This was the main thread about Snowden on the day his identity was revealed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5850590

https://hn.unlurker.com/replay?item=5850590

Oh! That's a cool site I didn't know about. Bookmarked.

Re: Going Through Snowden Documents, Part 1

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

squigz wrote: post #176
LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #175

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I'm wondering if you're aware of the (allegedly, implying it goes on(emphasis mine)) former existence of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project_(U.S._Army_un... ?

So not only did they make a scifi show to cover up any leaks, not only did they put another scifi show in the first one as an extra cover, they conducted psychic experiments as a further coverup?! There's clearly something here.

Intoning What are the odds? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Penny_for_Your_Thoughts_(The...

Edit: Hm no, IMO the Sci-Fi shows came much later, and that Stargate thing with the psychics was just an offshoot of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltra which came much earlier, maybe just overlapping from its end, fizzling out, to the early beginnigs of Stargate. In between, and related is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Monroe and his institute.

Re: Going Through Snowden Documents, Part 1

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Post by GuinansEyebrows »

jdycbsj wrote: post #149
GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #84

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i think a lot of people on this site work on the same types of projects snowden worked on and blew the whistle over, for the same organizations, and feel good about it. i wonder how many users here are happily employed by booz allen hamilton?

Even if they do, they are not the people who shape policy or have any Power. When is the last time you saw someone with real wotld power show up and comment on HN? So its like worrying about what farm animals think about how the farm runs. What Snowden/Assange/Panama Papers/DOGE teaches us is that it doesnt matter what info about the farm is public, there is a pecking order. If you want to change something about how…

> Even if they do, they are not the people who shape policy or have any Power.

i am comfortable making this statement: anyone in the middle of the venn diagram of "booz allen hamilton employee" and "hacker news dot com reader" has the "Power" to work literally anywhere else that produces technology products.

Re: Going Through Snowden Documents, Part 1

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

jeffbee wrote: post #86
timschmidt wrote: post #71

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"After 9/11, they took one of the programs I had done, or the backend part of it, and started to use it to spy on everybody in this country. That was a program I created called Stellar Wind. That was seperate and compartmented from the regular activity which was ongoing because it was doing domestic spying. All the equipment was coming in, I knew something was happening but then when the contractors I had hired came…

Civilian information systems have radically expanded in size since 2001, even if we take that ancient statement at face value. In the year 2025 it's crazy to believe that every newspaper is shouting that civilian information systems are destabilizing the national power grid and drying up the water table, but the government possesses a larger, far more capable information system that paradoxically has no observable ph…

Maybe just the metadata, of which phone-number calls which other when and where? Who messages whom by email, messenger, whatever, when and where? For the graph of communications over time, with interesting nodes appearing, showing emerging clusters around them, whose members then could be targeted by other means?

Re: Going Through Snowden Documents, Part 1

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Post by ProllyInfamous »

dylan604 wrote: post #137
ProllyInfamous wrote: post #118

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Thanks for tonight's movie recommendation (Braveheart was sick, I'll give Mel another chance! ). >Merlin's holly wand The More You Know™ [0] [0] https://www.perplexity.ai/search/what-is-the-significance-of...

Oh please don’t think I was suggesting it. It’s just what the movie was about. It’s. It on me if it’s not your cup of tea. Brave heart it isn’t.

How had I never seen this? Mel Gibson and a red-headed stalkee Julia Roberts as co-leads!?! Patrick Stewart as government villain?!?

My review after watching it last night (thanks again): definitely worth watching, but you'd be a nut to recommend this to anybody that has both feet on this planet. The first-half does a great job capturing what being a schizoid talkaholic feels like (both for self and others). The second-half is action packed with multiple mindfucks for the audience ("why does he have that picture?!" 3x). Not a good date movie, keep it for a personal tinfoil.popcorn movienight.

Ensemble: 9/10

Mel: 5/10 plays crazy too well

Julia: 10/10 wow no publishable notes

Patrick: 8.5 strobelit flashbacks of Captain Kirk waterboarding The Passion

Actor Synergy: 2/10 nobody seemed too thrilled with the screenplay

Explosions: 10/10 guy knew what he was doing DAM

Tinfoil: all the squarefeets

Believability (1997): 2/10

Believability (2025): 8.5/10

Overall: 5.5/10

Worth watching, even if just certain sassy actress scenes. Julia Roberts explores all damsel emotions in this one.

Re: Going Through Snowden Documents, Part 1

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Post by underbluewaters »

jjordan wrote: post #7

If you've ever watched the movie "Enemy of the State", which came out in 1998, I don't know how you can come away from that movie thinking anything other than someone in that script writing pipeline had some insider knowledge of what was happening. So many of the things they talk about in the film were confirmed by the Snowden releases that it's kinda scary. Today, it's almost a national societal resignation that "yo…

I don't think it needed any kind of special foresight to write that script. The idea that the NSA/Intelligence community was monitoring communications to that degree was fringe but not outlandish. Snowden confirmed and provided crucial evidence for what many suspected for a long time.

Re: Going Through Snowden Documents, Part 1

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

timschmidt wrote: post #88
jeffbee wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Civilian information systems have radically expanded in size since 2001, even if we take that ancient statement at face value. In the year 2025 it's crazy to believe that every newspaper is shouting that civilian information systems are destabilizing the national power grid and drying up the water table, but the government possesses a larger, far more capable information system that paradoxically has no observable ph…

"The Utah Data Center (UDC), also known as the Intelligence Community Comprehensive National Cybersecurity Initiative Data Center, is a data storage facility for the United States Intelligence Community that is designed to store data estimated to be on the order of exabytes or larger." "The structure provides 1 to 1.5 million sq ft (93,000 to 139,000 m2), with 100,000 sq ft (9,300 m2) of data center space and more th…

There was an interesting connection I discovered once.

The NSA's UDC is located here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluffdale,_Utah

Then there was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-DISC which was located here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Fork,_Utah

Open the two location articles in tabs, scroll down a little until you see the maps, or rather have them in good view, and then switch between them, fast, back and forth.

See what I mean?

There was more, but I don't have it ready ATM(storage long lost), and am too tired to research it again(reading many ugly government and business sites) but, shortly after it was officially known where that datacenter would be built, Millenniata (M-Disc) opened shop there.

I can't recall exactly anymore ATM, they may have incorporated smaller, elsewhere, near there, but the move to the final location came shortly after public/official knowledge of where that data center would be built.

Ain't that funny? :-)

Edit: Got another one, but probably unrelated because of the timeframe, but interesting nonetheless. Very advanced and fast flash storage(for the time, and in some aspects still, like retention time and durability).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi,_Utah where one of IM-Flash's(Joint Venture of Intel & Micron) factories was/is located (sold to Texas Instruments, producing other stuff now).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IM_Flash_Technologies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_XPoint

Re: Going Through Snowden Documents, Part 1

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

ginush wrote: post #130
Larrikin wrote: post #65

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Analytics are mining the data on here every second. Hacker News is a wildly popular site with higher ups in major Fortune 500 company posting anonymously and publicly here. Say anything bad about a major country's government (or even a minor country like Israel or Palestine) and all kinds of accounts you've never seen before start defending and attacking. Everything you are saying is being actively monitored at this…

An analyst who is tasked with investigating, say, terrorist threats, is not going to be remotely interested in the browsing habits of random people who pose no threat whatsoever. It's just pure paranoia. Yes, we know bulk interception is being done by intelligence agencies. No, they're not watching you. They have more important things to be getting on with.

R U sure/serious?

There is the concept of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragnet_(policing) and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentiment_analysis

Combine that with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geofence_warrant and enjoy the possible hassle of being 'by-catch'.

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