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US could ask foreign tourists for five-year social media history before entry

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Post by SauciestGNU »

daveoc64 wrote: post #163
rayiner wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're claiming the UK lacks "freedom of speech" because it doesn't allow people to incite violence online, while saying the USA has free speech, despite it seemingly rejecting visitors for legal political speech. Free speech means the country must tolerate what citizens say; it does not mean the country can't exercise its discretion over its borders to bar entry to foreigners who say things citizens don't like.

That's certainly a stance you can take, but it's not one I'd expect to see from a US administration that's repeatedly (including from the president less than 48 hours ago) got on its high horse to criticise what it perceives as a government crackdown on freedom of speech in European countries.

When the US criticizes Europe for free speech and political suppression, you can be sure they're complaining because the criminalization of literal Naziism harms Trump's allies.

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Post by bell-cot »

perihelions wrote: post #176
rsync wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t consider hacker news to be social media… And I wouldn’t expect others to, either.

For what it's worth, HN is on ICE's list of surveilled sites (which it pays a tech contractor to crawl), https://www.404media.co/the-200-sites-an-ice-surveillance-co... ( "The 200+ Sites an ICE Surveillance Contractor is Monitoring" ) https://archive.is/Lldzh

I'd bet the actual list of surveilled sites is far longer, and actually kept secret.

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Post by dogemaster2032 »

DaSHacka wrote: post #149
stfp wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Criticizing fascists isn’t “speaking badly” of the US or of american people. A vast majority of people aren’t happy about what’s going on.

> A vast majority of people aren’t happy about what’s going on. A "vast majority"... where? On bluesky? In Europe? Cuz it sure as hell ain't here

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

rayiner wrote: post #123
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plenty of things to like about America if you put aside the politics. Personally I wouldn’t bother though. We were considering a trip to Florida next year but decided on France instead due to the widespread xenophobia.

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You know what I meant.

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Post by dogemaster2032 »

ponector wrote: post #132
dogemaster2028 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Jon Richelieu-Booth for posting a picture of himself with a gun in the US - Jordan Parlour for Facebook posts that were deemed ‘hateful.’ - Bernadette Spofforth for a post with a “mild inaccuracy” - Maxie Allen and Rosalind Levine, after raising concerns in a private parents’ WhatsApp group about the hiring process of their daughter’s school - Lucy Connolly, for a post calling for mass deportation and to set fire t…

Don't you think people should have consequences for the hate speech?

Everything that a certain population of the US correlated with the color Blue dislikes is considered hate speech by them, so things become impractical. Thankfully there are fewer and fewer snowflakes.

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Post by dogemaster2032 »

lurk2 wrote: post #98
dogemaster2028 wrote: post #65

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Your comment history is very odd. You talk about America as though you are a citizen but several of your comments have grammatical errors that indicate you are a foreigner.

Your comment history is very odd. Your grammar is always perfect as though you are well-reasoned, but this very comment of yours shows you committing an ad hominem fallacy, shifting attention from the argument to something irrelevant about the person, indicating that you are a Pedantic ad hominem attacker.

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Post by dogemaster2032 »

jamwil wrote: post #145
lurk2 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment history is very odd. You talk about America as though you are a citizen but several of your comments have grammatical errors that indicate you are a foreigner.

They are a troll with an 10-day old account.

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Post by throw310822 »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #4

"Officers were instructed to screen for those "who advocate for, aid, or support designated foreign terrorists and other threats to national security; or who perpetrate unlawful anti-Semitic harassment or violence"." Okay, that's your job then. It's not mine or anyone else's job to just hand everything over.

> perpetrate unlawful anti-Semitic harassment

Interesting that threats to national security and "antisemitism" are put on an equal footing and clearly above everything else; also makes me wonder what is "unlawful antisemitic harassment"- the US considers every speech lawful as far as I understand. Or, if some speech is indeed unlawful, is it going to matter only if that speech is against Jews or Israel?

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Post by throw310822 »

estearum wrote: post #15
rsynnott wrote: post #11

Well, that'll be great for the tourism industry. What, precisely, are they hoping to learn, here?

Precisely speaking, they're looking to catch any critique of Israel because it'll provide a broad dragnet that will exclude a lot of Muslims and libs. (I'm not just saying this to be inflammatory. We already know the administration has been going after legal immigrants on the basis of criticisms of Israel. This is a completely reasonable connection to this social media policy.)

And why would they exclude muslim and liberal tourists?

The reason they are creating all sort of censorship and unconstitutional rules to prevent criticism of Israel is, surprise!, to benefit Israel. It's otherwise incredible how Israel happens to be always the lucky recipient of all sorts of benefits and favours that are all intended for some other purpose. Come on.

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Post by scarecrowbob »

dogemaster2028 wrote: post #59
akie wrote: post #35

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My social media is full of rants about the ongoing trend of bringing fascism to the US and the authoritarian and repressive tendencies of the current president. Am I not allowed to say that?

You are allowed to say it. Unlike UK, you won’t be arrested. But you won’t be allowed in. Besides, why would you want to come if you don’t like it here?

Hell, I -live- here and they wouldn't let me in.

I like plenty of folks in, for instance, Texas. I still think the government there is illegitimate in foundation and criminal in action.

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