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Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by zmmmmm »

embedding-shape wrote: post #63
johanvts wrote: post #8

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Did you try Aider?

I did, although a long time ago, so maybe I need to try it again. But it still seems to be stuck in a chat-like interface instead of something tailored to software development. Think IDE but better.

I think Aider is closest to what you want.

The chat interface is optimal to me because you often are asking questions and seeking guidance or proposals as you are making actual code changes. On reason I do like it is that its default mode of operation is to make a commit for each change it makes. So it is extremely clear what the AI did vs what you did vs what is a hodge podge of both.

As others have mentioned, you can integrate with your IDE through the watch mode. It's somewhat crude but still useful way. But I find myself more often than not just running Aider in a terminal under the code editor window and chatting with it about what's in the window.

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by sosodev »

bakies wrote: post #137
qwertox wrote: post #72

Let's see which company becomes the first to sell "coding appliances": hardware with a model good enough for normal coding. If Mistral is so permissive they could be the first ones, provided that hardware is then fast/cheap/efficient enough to create a small box that can be placed in an office. Maybe in 5 years.

I bought a framework desktop hoping to do this.

And it can do it, right? I think AMD AI Max line the first realistic offering for this type of thing.

The Apple offerings are interesting but the lack of x86, Linux, and general compatibility make it hard sell imo.

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by andrepd »

jstummbillig wrote: post #91
willahmad wrote: post #58

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I think this benchmark could be slightly misleading to assess coding model. But still very good result. Yes, SVG is code, but not in a sense of executable with verifiable inputs and outputs.

I love that we are earnestly contemplating the merits of the pelican benchmark. What a timeline.

It's not even halfway up the list of inane things of the AI hype cycle.

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by embedding-shape »

kouteiheika wrote: post #106
embedding-shape wrote: post #71

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> imo this is a hill people need to stop dying on. As someone who was born and raised on FOSS, and still mostly employed to work on FOSS, I disagree. Open source is what it is today because it's built by people with a spine who stand tall for their ideals even if it means less money, less industry recognition, lots of unglorious work and lots of other negatives. It's not purist to believe that what built open source…

> Open source is what it is today because it's built by people with a spine who stand tall for their ideals even if it means less money, less industry recognition, lots of unglorious work and lots of other negatives. With all due respect, don't you see the irony in saying "people with a spine who stand tall for their ideals", and then arguing that attaching "restrictions" which only affect the richest megacorporation…

> What ideals are those exactly?

Anyone can use the code for whatever purpose they want, in any way they want. I've never been a "rich megacorporation", but I have gone from having zero money to having enough money, and I still think the very same thing about the code I myself release as I did from the beginning, it should be free to be used by anyone, for any purpose.

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by embedding-shape »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #128
embedding-shape wrote: post #62

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Claude Code has absolutely zero features that help me review code or do anything else than vibe-coding and accept changes as they come in. We need diff-comparisons between different executions, tailored TUI for that kind of work and more. Claude Code is basically a MVP of that. Still, I do use Claude Code and Codex daily as there is nothing better out there currently. But they still feel tailored towards vibe-coding…

What’s wrong with using GIT for reviewing the changes?

Are any of them integrated with git? AFAIK, you'd have to instruct them to use git for you if you don't want to do it manually.

Imagine a GUI built around git branches + agents working in those branches + tooling to manage the orchestration and small review points, rather than "here's a chat and tool calling, glhf".

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by embedding-shape »

zmmmmm wrote: post #181
embedding-shape wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did, although a long time ago, so maybe I need to try it again. But it still seems to be stuck in a chat-like interface instead of something tailored to software development. Think IDE but better.

I think Aider is closest to what you want. The chat interface is optimal to me because you often are asking questions and seeking guidance or proposals as you are making actual code changes. On reason I do like it is that its default mode of operation is to make a commit for each change it makes. So it is extremely clear what the AI did vs what you did vs what is a hodge podge of both. As others have mentioned, you c…

> I think Aider is closest to what you want.

> The chat interface

Seems very much not, if it's still a chat interface :) Figuring out a chat UX is easy compared to something that was creating with letting LLM fill in some parts from the beginning. I guess I'm searching for something with a different paradigm than just "chat + $Something".

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by isodev »

andai wrote: post #40
isodev wrote: post #29

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If you’re letting Claude write code you’re vibe coding

So people have different definitions of the word, but originally Vibe Coding meant "don't even look at the code". If you're actually making sure it's legit, it's not vibe coding anymore. It's just... Backseat Coding? ;) There's a level below that I call Power Coding (like power armor) where you're using a very fast model interactively to make many very small edits. So you're still doing the conceptual work of program…

I know tech bros like to come up with fancy words to make trivial things sounds fancy but as long as it’s a slop out process, it’s vibe coding. If you’re fixing what a bot spits out, should be a different word … something painful that could’ve been avoided?

Also, we’re both “people in tech”, we know LLMs can’t conceptualise beyond finding the closest collection of tokens rhyming with your prompt/code. Doesn’t mean it’s good or even correct. So that’s why it’s vibe coding.

Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI

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Post by giancarlostoro »

tomashubelbauer wrote: post #85
isodev wrote: post #29

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If you’re letting Claude write code you’re vibe coding

It sure doesn't feel like it given how closely I have to babysit Claude Code lest I don't recognize the code after Claude Code is done with it when left to its own devices for a minute.

It gets pretty close for me, but I usually tell it how I want it done from the get go.
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