AI Is Breaking the Moral Foundation of Modern Society

Post by dyauspitr » Thu, Dec 04, 2025, 7:30 AM UTC

silisili wrote: post #53

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Are you suggesting that no meaningful distinction can be made in terms of morality between Trump and, say, Biden, Obama, Blair, the Bushes etc.? Some people will point to their supposed crimes or immoral actions while in office, having to do with execution of their duties as president. Large countries tend to do many questionable things. But the current US administration is pretty unique in terms of its corruption, a…

> But the current US administration is pretty unique in terms of its corruption, avoidance of accountability, authoritarian and fascist tendencies, etc. I've mostly been reading that since the Bush years. Definitely said against Bush, Obama, Biden, and Trump. In fairness, I don't remember it about Clinton. That you don't agree with a politician doesn't make him or her particularly worse than others.

Post by zmgsabst » Thu, Dec 04, 2025, 9:05 AM UTC

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I would argue that yes, there’s no meaningful distinction between Biden and Trump. (And perhaps that Trump is more moral than Biden.) I’d find your argument would be more persuasive if you outlined what you believe Trump had done worse than the others — rather than argument-by-name-calling.

There’s no point in discussing anything with someone that holds your position, against the enormous amount of evidence to the contrary. The best we can do is take action to prevent you from exerting any influence over society.

Post by archdang » Thu, Dec 04, 2025, 4:16 PM UTC

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We're just missing around 9001 steps between the devaluation of labor and the space exploration, which according to current understanding of physics is pure fantasy because all concepts of faster then light travel are purely "what-if" daydreams

Yes, many will suffer, many will die. The streets shall be washed in blood. All of that will happen. Immense, unbelievable suffering. And after all that we still reach Type III and it was all worth it.

Post by philipallstar » Thu, Dec 04, 2025, 5:29 PM UTC

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Is water less valuable because it comes out of a tap almost for no money?

The answer is wholly dependent on where you live and how scarce water is. Most in the west don't understand water scarcity.

Post by antonvs » Fri, Dec 05, 2025, 2:24 AM UTC

zmgsabst wrote: post #183

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There’s no point in discussing anything with someone that holds your position, against the enormous amount of evidence to the contrary. The best we can do is take action to prevent you from exerting any influence over society.

So it should be easy to show me, then. Go ahead, be specific. Rather than accuse me of bad faith based on stereotypes.