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EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

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Seems to me this is a kind of advanced persistent threat. You defeat them one day, but they're still there, and they keep trying, day after day after day.

The purpose of the state is continuity of the state. The state is always the natural enemy of the people - specifically the liberty and privacy of the people. Any time you have a government, you will have a government that wishes to spy on you to make sure you will never attempt a competing government/army.

What alternative do you propose?

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The UK is perhaps less competent at it's authoritarianism

I genuinely think the public sector being a bit hopeless is a major check on tyranny in the UK. Ofcom (the communications regulator charged with imposing the censorship laws) literally maintains a public list of non-compliant websites that anyone who doesn't want to give their ID to a shady offshore firm can browse for example.

> can browse for example

can't browse?

Re: EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

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post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The purpose of the state is continuity of the state. The state is always the natural enemy of the people - specifically the liberty and privacy of the people. Any time you have a government, you will have a government that wishes to spy on you to make sure you will never attempt a competing government/army.

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Re: EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

#185
post #77

At this point, it’s clear these sort of measures will go through, if not now but in some foreseeable future. What would be our best bet moving forward? Moving to signal/telegram?

Signal is centralized. So this company operating in EU, under EU laws, will have to do the scanning too. How they implement it however and when and if at all remains to be seen. All maybe they will not and EU will block signal. Maybe they will allow you install apk and Google will block installing from apks directly, basically forcing companies to do the scanning. And if everybody will do the scanning, maybe they wil…

Simplex Chat looks like a decent alternative. It also has the benefit of not needing a phone number or email address.

Re: EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

#186
post #11

why are specifically the Danish so obsessed with pushing this through? it always seems to come back to them

I guess it never hurts to try and find alternate ways of placating the US in order to make them get over their Greenland obession.

Hard to believe any of them actually take that seriously. What a bunch of babies

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There is nothing democratic about the process. It's all unelected politicians ruling for you

I was making a joke (and referencing a book); that being said, you're wrong, no unelected politicians are ruling for me or any other european citizen.

Which politicians ran on a platform of "we are going to spy on you"? I guess all of them do.

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Business, eh. Maybe it's time to go open source and fully distributed peer-to-peer. Something like Tox[0] or SimpleX[1]. The (actual) solution should be to fix legislation to adequate protect privacy, because they'll attack this next. But meantime, a technical solution is better than nothing. 0. https://tox.chat/ 1. https://simplex.chat/

> Hi Mom, please install this peer to peer dark net chat to talk to me in the future, thanks Oh honey, why don't we just use iMessage instead. Thx bye.

My (very non-technical) 70 year old mom was actually happy to use Element because it has a nice desktop client, so she can more easily type and see pictures than on her phone screen. Simplex Chat would have worked for her as well.

Re: EU Council Approves New "Chat Control" Mandate Pushing Mass Surveillance

#190

this is basically how Chinese social media works - liability for 'problematic' user posted content (ambiguously defined by the govt...) is on the technology platforms themselves, so they inevitably have to scan messages / posts, taking a zero risk policy on whatever content type is proscribed.

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