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PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Post by throwaway48476 »

timschmidt wrote: post #85
Aurornis wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hopefully the shortage leads large purchasers to engage in long-term contracts with the memory manufacturers which give them the confidence to invest in new fabs and increased capacity. Most DRAM is already purchased through contracts with manufacturers. Manufacturers don't actually want too many extremely long term contracts because it would limit their ability to respond to market price changes. Like most commodi…

> Are you referring to complete home-grown DRAM designs? That, too, was already in the works. Yes, via cxmt as discussed by Asianometry here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt-eDtFqKvk As I mentioned, various groups within China have been working on China-native DRAM since the '70s. What's new are the margins and market demand to allow them to be profitable with DRAM which is still several years behind the competiti…

Lots of low end android boxes use cxmt ddr4.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Post by thaumasiotes »

codebje wrote: post #177
Aurornis wrote: post #96

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> When I zoom all the way out, all of consumer computation has existed as sort of an addendum or ancillary organ to the big customers: government, large corporations, etc. Perfectly stated. I think comments like the one above come from a mentality that the individual consumer should be the center of the computing universe and big purchasers should be forced to live with the leftovers. What's really happening is the b…

The iPhone wasn't designed or marketed to large corporations. 3dfx didn't invent the voodoo for B2B sales. IBM didn't branch out from international business machines to the personal computer for business sales. The compact disc wasn't invented for corporate storage. Computing didn't take off until it shrank from the giant, unreliable beasts of machines owned by a small number of big corporations to the home computers…

> The iPhone wasn't designed or marketed to large corporations.

The iPhone isn't exactly a consumer computation device. From that perspective, it does less work at a higher cost.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Post by throwaway48476 »

Aurornis wrote: post #83
embedding-shape wrote: post #41

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> Well, what really prompted this crisis is AI, If the shortage of RAM is because of AI (so servers/data centers I presume?), wouldn't that mean the shortage should be localized to RDIMM rather than the much more common UDIMM that most gaming PCs use? But it seems to me like the pricing is going up more for UDIMM than RDIMM.

It's a valid question if you're not familiar with the RAM market. Sorry you're getting downvoted for it. The manufacturers make the individual chips, not the modules (DIMMs). (EDIT: Some companies that make chips may also have business units that sell DIMMS, to be pedantic.) The R in RDIMM means register, aka buffer. It's a separate chip that buffers the signals between the memory chips and the controller. Even ECC m…

There's 9 bits in an ECC byte.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Post by hopelite »

pmdr wrote: post #98

So, like, we were already pretty much priced out of higher-end graphic cards, and now it's happening to RAM. All this while jobs are disappearing, layoffs are ongoing and CEOs are touting AI's 'capabilities' left and right. Next is probably CPUs, even if AIs don't use them that much, manufactures will shift production to something more profitable, then gouge prices so that only enterprises will pay for them. What's n…

> Where the f*k is all the abundance that AI was supposed to bring into the world? /rant

It may have been a bit self-deprecating, but I think your “rant” is a more than justified question that really should be expanded well beyond just this matter. It’s related to a clear fraud that has been perpetrated upon the people of the western world in particular for many decades and generations now in many different ways. We have been told for decades and generations that “we have to plunder your money and debase of and give it to the rich that caused the {insert disaster caused by the ruling class} misery and we have to do it without any kind of consequences for the perpetrators and no, you don’t get any kind of ownership or investment and we have to do it now or the world will end”

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Post by lmm »

Aurornis wrote: post #94
caycep wrote: post #44

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It's a sad trend for "the rest of us" and history in general. The economic boom of the 80's thru the 2010s has been a vast democratization of computation - hardware became more powerful and affordable, and algorithms (at least broadly if not individually) became more efficient. We all had supercomputers in our pockets. This AI movement seems to move things in the opposite direction, in that us plebeians have less and…

> This AI movement seems to move things in the opposite direction, in that us plebeians have less and less access to RAM, computing power and food and...uh...GPUs to play Cyberpunk; and are dependent on Altermanic aristocracy to dribble compute onto us at their leisure and for a hefty tithe. Compute is cheaper than ever. The ceiling is just higher for what you can buy. Yes, we have $2000 GPUs now. You don't have to b…

> Some times I think people with this mentality would be happier if the top of the line GPU models were never released. If nVidia stopped at their mid-range cards and didn't offer anything more, the complaints would go away even though we're not actually better off with fewer options.

If the result was that games were made and optimised for mid-range cards, maybe regular folks actually would be better off.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Post by throwaway48476 »

MichaelNolan wrote: post #172
dylan604 wrote: post #119

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wait, are you saying that there's no difference between regular and premium gas?

The “regular” and “premium” label at the pump is misleading. The premium gas isn’t better. It’s just different. Unless your car specifically requires higher octane fuel, there is no benefit to paying for it. https://www.kbb.com/car-advice/gasoline-guide/

You get slightly better mpg on premium, just not enough to justify the cost.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Post by RachelF »

caycep wrote: post #44
timschmidt wrote: post #16

Potentially unpopular take: memory manufacturers have been operating on the margins of profitability for quite a while now. Their products are essentially an indistinguishable commodity. Memory from Samsung or Micron or another manufacturer may have slight differences in overclockability, but that matters little to folks who just want a stable system. Hopefully the shortage leads large purchasers to engage in long-te…

It's a sad trend for "the rest of us" and history in general. The economic boom of the 80's thru the 2010s has been a vast democratization of computation - hardware became more powerful and affordable, and algorithms (at least broadly if not individually) became more efficient. We all had supercomputers in our pockets. This AI movement seems to move things in the opposite direction, in that us plebeians have less and…

Well put. Since the 1980's consumer has been driving the segment. Even supercomputers were built out of higher end consumer hardware (or playstations in one example).

The move to cloud computing and now AI mean that we're back in the mainframe days.

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