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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by _djo_ »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #174
_djo_ wrote: post #171

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Indeed. There was even a question of whether they could legally be considered Ukrainian or Russian weapons, regardless of where the command centre was. To solve that while the talks were ongoing they set up a ‘joint’ command centre in Moscow with ex-SSR countries theoretically sharing joint control over the weapons with Moscow. Ukraine at one point wanted to formally claim ownership over the weapons, as after all bre…

> We all know how much the security guarantees of that agreement were worth. They were worth 30 years of peace. It wasn't a treaty. Everyone knew it was a handshake agreement without consequences for breaking it. It prevented an immediate war in eastern Europe after the fall of the USSR. A war that could have been much worse involving nuclear weapons. Unfortunately the war came 30 years later.

20 years, not 30, and not even that. There were other clashes plus massive Russian interference in Ukrainian affairs just a few years after Budapest.

For something as serious as giving up a nuclear arsenal it’s reasonable to expect to get more than 20 years of peace and for the co-signers to actual fulfil their parts of the agreement, whether legally binding or not.

The end result is that no country will soon trust a Russian non-aggression promise and none will trust an American promise of support.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by VWWHFSfQ »

_djo_ wrote: post #181
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We all know how much the security guarantees of that agreement were worth. They were worth 30 years of peace. It wasn't a treaty. Everyone knew it was a handshake agreement without consequences for breaking it. It prevented an immediate war in eastern Europe after the fall of the USSR. A war that could have been much worse involving nuclear weapons. Unfortunately the war came 30 years later.

20 years, not 30, and not even that. There were other clashes plus massive Russian interference in Ukrainian affairs just a few years after Budapest. For something as serious as giving up a nuclear arsenal it’s reasonable to expect to get more than 20 years of peace and for the co-signers to actual fulfil their parts of the agreement, whether legally binding or not. The end result is that no country will soon trust a…

It was signed in 1994? That's 30 years. I guess you're counting Crimea? I was think just starting from the full Russian invasion.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by wang_li »

embedding-shape wrote: post #99
NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #74

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EU got itself a Cuba too bad that Cuba is right on its own border :)

So literally just like Cuba? The distance between US and Cuba is like 150km, if you're in Donetsk you can't even leave Donetsk Oblast if you travel 150km, and the shortest distance you can take from Ukraine Russia to closest EU/NATO member would be something like 600km if you don't take shortcuts via Belarus. For all intents and purposes, Ukraine's border with Russia is way further away (like magnitude) from EU/NATO…

Romania shares a border with Ukraine and is a member of both NATO and the EU.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by mc32 »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #162
sfifs wrote: post #113

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I'm very surprised the US doesn't seem to be taking the risk of Ukraine becoming a Nuclear Weapons state seriously. By now, they surely would have had time to develop get to the brink of weaponization as a backup plan - they've after all always had a nuclear industry. If they do so and offer cover to their neighbors who realize NATO may not be sufficient, we are in for interesting times.

The ideal scenario would have been if Ukraine had secretly retained 30-100 warheads. Everyone likes to prattle on about how they couldn't even have used them: those people are mentally retarded. A sophisticated government with nuclear and aerospace scientists could have easily dismantled interlocks and installed their own. Maybe not in a hurry, but they had 3 decades more or less. And if they didn't have the expertis…

I dunno if I agree with them being nuclear. It just ups the possibility of a thermonuclear war instead of a conventional war. Just as I’d prefer that IN or PK or both not having those weapons.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by NebulaStorm456 »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #101
a2tech wrote: post #46

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I’m an American and I can safely vouch that myself and most of the people I know deeply believe in the American ideals that have been presented as gospel for decades—fair play, hard work, rule of law, loving our neighbors (regardless of legal status), and to a one, believe that as soon as you swear your oath at the immigration court, you’re an American, regardless of the circumstances of your birth. The situation we…

As a seventh generation American, war veteran who has been in public service for 22 of my 25 working years and mixed race person, America has literally never organizationally been any of the things you describe. We are a nation of selfish, narcissists that have no concept of consistent long lasting care based communities. What little care we give each other is mediated through transactions or cult based social alignm…

US Plans for China Blockade Continue Taking Shape

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqi_cPYiT9c

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by fatbird »

hardlianotion wrote: post #54
petcat wrote: post #24

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EU is in a very tough spot right now. They're getting squeezed on all sides economically by USA and China while simultaneously facing a Russian invasion on their eastern borders. The relationship with the American administration has deteriorated badly and any action seen as "retaliation", such as this policy blockade, would almost definitely result in USA withdrawing even more support for Ukraine in the war. I think,…

It’s kind of hard to see how much more support the US could withdraw from Ukraine, judging by the last article I read that gave Ukraine until Thursday to accept the latest peace deal negotiated between USA and Russia. If we are in the world you describe, EU might as well do as it wants - its downside has been capped.

While US weapons aid has basically been cut off, then somewhat restored through European purchases, US intel sharing has been relatively consistent and continuous throughout, and Ukraine is very dependent on it. When intel sharing was suspended for several weeks, Ukraine lost almost half the ground it had taken in Kursk. At a minimum, satellite intel is key to monitoring Russian dispositions, and Ukraine has no way to replace that.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by nalekberov »

vfclists wrote: post #98
Stranger43 wrote: post #93

The reluctance of the EU leadership to so anything materially significant about anything they claim to care about is kind of telling. It's either that the leadership is so caught up in their own ivory tower bubble of pure rhetoric to realize they havent really put in the logistics to actually affect reality or that they somehow don't really want the consequences of actually changing things. For this is pretty clear w…

The EU leadership are a very corrupt group who set themselves up to be open to the highest bidders from day one, and those are mostly US corporations and those of other countries when the US hasn't place sanctions on them. The antitrust fines they impose on those American companies may simply be regarded as a cost of doing business. When it comes to being indifferent to the welfare of the general populace, they are j…

> The antitrust fines they impose on those American companies may simply be regarded as a cost of doing business.

You nailed it right on the head. Those fines are peanuts for big corporations.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by PeterStuer »

dxdm wrote: post #179
PeterStuer wrote: post #161

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As a European I can agree with the US and China stuff. But a Russian Invasion? Seriously?

GP is talking about the invasion of Ukraine, taking place just beyond the EU eastern border, and very much shaking up the European security situation, and the EU and its member states are visibly having to "deal with it", diplomatically, economically and in terms of their practical defense postures. That's what they meant with "at the border", and not a literal invasion of the EU. (Edited for a less confrontational b…

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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by aubanel »

petcat wrote: post #24
nmridul wrote: post #6

> ..... he calls on the EU to activate an existing blocking regulation (Regulation (EC) No 2271/96) for the International Criminal Court, which prevents third countries like the USA from enforcing sanctions in the EU. EU companies would then no longer be allowed to comply with US sanctions if they violate EU interests. Companies that violate this would then be liable for damages. That is from that article..

EU is in a very tough spot right now. They're getting squeezed on all sides economically by USA and China while simultaneously facing a Russian invasion on their eastern borders. The relationship with the American administration has deteriorated badly and any action seen as "retaliation", such as this policy blockade, would almost definitely result in USA withdrawing even more support for Ukraine in the war. I think,…

Ukraine is not and was never part of EU, FWIW

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by PeterStuer »

atoav wrote: post #169
PeterStuer wrote: post #161

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As a European I can agree with the US and China stuff. But a Russian Invasion? Seriously?

As another European: Yes? Invasion doesn't have to mean they plan to roll tanks all the way to Paris. Have you realized Russian agents blew up a train in Poland this week, after some weeks prior flying planes and drones into NATO airspace and disrupting air travel in Denmark with drones started from shadow fleet tankers. The grounds for further action are being tested as we speak. Invasion just means Russian soldiers…

What would Russia hope to gain? How does this compare to alternative naratives? Assuming we both lack real insider infirmatiin, whixh reasonably is more credible?
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