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SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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Post by righthand »

roman_soldier wrote: post #123

What about human slop? start with HN a significant number of comments are pretty dire.

You must not use Kagi because a "human slop" system is available on both Kagi and HN. It's called a downvote and the article has an image how you can downvote links in search results. Just an FYI why you're getting downvoted for posting a dire comment yourself.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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Post by ehnto »

Marsymars wrote: post #178
ehnto wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your later point is hard to convey to people who don't want to hear it. I don't want AI content, even if it is as good, or even if it were better. The human element IS the point, not an implementation detail. An AI song about sailing at sea is meaningless because I know the AI has never sailed at sea. This is a standard we hold humans to, authenticity is important even for human artists, why would we give AI a pass o…

> And I mean this earnestly, if an AI in a corporeal form really did go sailing, I might then be interested in its song about sailing. Would you? That seems achievable with current technology, bolt a PC with a camera onto a sailing ship and prompt it to compose text based on some image recognition.

For sure, I wouldn't read it as if it were a human story though since I can relate and empathise with the human. But it would be interesting to see what kind of experience it had and how it records and explains it.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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Post by ro_bit »

I notice a distinction made in the docs for image, video, and "web page" slop. Will there be a way to aggressively categorize filter web page slop separately from the other two? There's an uncomfortable amount of authors, even posted on this forum, who write insightful posts that (at least from what I can tell) aren't AI slop, but for some reason they decide to header it with a generated image. While I find that distateful, I would only want to filter that if the content of the post text itself was slop too. Will the distinction in the docs allow for that?

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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Post by vachina »

jacquesm wrote: post #158
ehnto wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think search engines should be worried, because people will silently lose faith in their results and start using AI chat instead. If search engines fail to find genuine, authentic content for me, and they just pipe me to LLM articles, I may as as well go straight to the LLM.

That will, if it is really adopted that widely, result in a freeze on available information.

Thing is LLM can be trained on things not available on the public internet, unlike search engines having to return public URLs.

I’m sure all these agentic AI are slurping in all proprietary codebases and their documentations and training on them. It’s the only way to one up the competition.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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Post by pseudalopex »

sjs382 wrote: post #43
pseudalopex wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Their consistent approach to AI is to offer it, but only when explicitly requested. Kagi News does not disclose AI even.

I think it's generally understood among their users (paying customers who make an active choice to use the service) but I agree—they should be explicit re: the disclosure.

Kagi News does not require payment. The articles are indexed by search engines. Anyone can send a link to anyone else or post a link anywhere.

The speculation most Kagi customers inferred the articles were AI generated could be correct. Or not. We agree they should disclose in any case.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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Post by pseudalopex »

sedatk wrote: post #129
pseudalopex wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Their consistent approach to AI is to offer it, but only when explicitly requested. Kagi News does not disclose AI even.

"Kagi News reads public RSS feeds of thousands of (community-curated) world-wide news sources and utilizes AI to distill them into one perfect daily briefing." https://news.kagi.com/about

A daily briefing is AI generated does not communicate all articles are AI generated. And the standard for news publishers to disclose reasons for distrust is every article.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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Post by code_biologist »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #112
jacquesm wrote: post #81

HN could use some of this. It'd be nice if there was a safe having from the equivalent of high grade junk mail.

we just need human attestation. A vial of blood per comment

Love it. This has Cobra Effect style perverse incentive written all over it. You'd be shocked how quickly you can get a big bag of blood vials if you know the right people.
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