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Vodafone Germany is changing the open internet, one peering connection at a time

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Re: Vodafone Germany is changing the open internet, one peering connection at a time

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The play by major content providers is "not to pay" and "block inter.link" Sure, you lose Vodafone germany. Then you explain clearly why to every major media. This coukd be stopped fairly quickly.

"The play by major content providers" like Google? Where in order to become a "Verified Peering Provider" you are not permitted to use a IX?! https://peering.google.com/#/options/verified-peering-provid...

The restriction is only to Google.

1299, a Google gold partner is at IXes

Re: Vodafone Germany is changing the open internet, one peering connection at a time

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Not to say that Mr. Musk seems popular in Germany, nor that orbital dynamics are friendly to high user densities, but ...

https://inter.link "Trusted By: SpaceX"

SpaceX used to pay AS33891 Core-Backbone GmbH to reach AS3320 now they pay 1299 (German (landed) Starlink users) for that

Interlink is to get to France Telecom/ Orange from German Starlink users

And to get Italian/Bulgarian landed traffic to AS3320

From what I see most of the traffic that flows via inter.link from SpaceX is point to point traffic. Not regular IP transit like what they get from 1299 or GTT

SpaceX is settlement free in Germany, customer elsewhere.

Re: Vodafone Germany is changing the open internet, one peering connection at a time

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Google publishes a peering policy. It's reasonable to expect that they will peer with you if you hit all the requirements in the policy. Afaik, their requirements have never been judgement based: just bandwidth minimums, port types and locations. I would expect that they prioritize new connections in some way, so if you barely hit the criteria and are somewhere well served by transit, you'll be low priority, and the…

But it’s still Google’s choice? They clearly didn’t publish a guarantee or an obligation that they will peer with anyone who meets the criteria.

Certainly, it's their choice. But I expect them to mostly follow through and peer with those networks that apply and meet their published requirements.

Re: Vodafone Germany is changing the open internet, one peering connection at a time

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What you are describing sounds mostly like a US-problem, not sure it's a western gov problem in general? In my city, the municipality owns much of the fibre. The country I live in owns a bank where you can get a mortgage pretty cheap. The good parts of GDPR or CRA are very good and was not disrupted by large corporations?

Even in America, there are plenty of places that have municipal ISPs. But it has some... interesting political dynamics. Basically, because people move out of cities that don't have good Internet connectivity, and it's unprofitable for private industry to serve rural America, rural America's towns and cities wound up just building their own ISPs. However, since a lot of these cities tend to be in blood-red states, a…

> So, because of these stupid accounting rules, you have to buy Internet from someone else who is then paying UTOPIA for last-mile access, which makes it very difficult for UTOPIA to actually break even on their build-out

Washington state just makes the customers pay the costs for build-out. Then the municipal utility district always breaks even. You can finance it through a utility lien, but either way, build out is expensive; less so if someone else already paid to get fiber to pass your lot, but still pretty spendy.

Re: Vodafone Germany is changing the open internet, one peering connection at a time

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AI writing cadence I presume. Edit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45850683

Thanks. I thought it was something factually wrong.

SpaceX is both customer and peer of inter.link

Re: Vodafone Germany is changing the open internet, one peering connection at a time

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Can confirm, recently moved to o2, it was insufferable. For anyone wondering: netzbremse.de/ EN https://netzbremse.de/en/

Would you recommend o2?

Can't complain so far, reddit loads in the evenings again.

Re: Vodafone Germany is changing the open internet, one peering connection at a time

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The big difference here is that you're almost never forced to use Deutsche Telekom for wired internet (there are many DSL resellers, and many of them actually provide routing themselves), but in some buildings, there is literally only Vodafone, with no choice of any alternative service provider on top.

Still Telekom has a big market share there.

They're entrenched. They have Telekom-branded stores (resellers) in every other town. They operate the network and hence have the best ability for trouble shooting. Non-technical users don't know what peering means, they just pay for Internet like they pay for water or power.

So for the "commoners" it seems a solid choice, while we, the Lords & Ladies of tech, are cursing in our basement home labs ;-)

Also, and that's why I'm stuck with them, for some reason they're the only one who offer combined DSL with 5G "boost". Our line is limited to ~45 MBit/s, and we get another 100 MBit/s over 5G. Doing this yourself with multiple links is of course an option, but costs a magnitude more than the 5€ extra I'm paying now; and the day only has so many hours to take care of such private deployments.

Re: Vodafone Germany is changing the open internet, one peering connection at a time

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Yes. It's the so called Berlin issue. If you're lucky enough to find an apartment, you have a good chance of getting a slumlord who does everything to make your life miserable. I'd buy my own place, if there would be anything available. Probably need to move to another city or country.

This is what you get when you have rent control. Landlords are going to maximize profits somehow, and if they can't increase rents, they'll decrease costs and try to find ways around the rent cap to squeeze tenants anyway. There's a gap between market price and regulated price, and that tension causes a lot of issues. Not that non-regulated pricing has no issues either, but at least it's a bit more up-front about the…

Also how bad the Berlin government is and has always been. It's almost a crime how they sold almost all the public housing to private investors. The outcome of this has been slow regression of Berlin. From an interesting and pioneering artist haven to a boring and ugly catastrophe. Like, what's really left when all the interesting things are gone?

Re: Vodafone Germany is changing the open internet, one peering connection at a time

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Yes. It's the so called Berlin issue. If you're lucky enough to find an apartment, you have a good chance of getting a slumlord who does everything to make your life miserable. I'd buy my own place, if there would be anything available. Probably need to move to another city or country.

How one can still buy into Berlin's hype in 2025?! Fuck their rental market, their landlords, three months deposit for completely empty apartment without even lightbulbs, copyright trolls, rundfunkbeitrag, rude customer service, schufa. Turn around and walk away.

> completely empty apartment without even lightbulbs

This is such an interesting cultural divide. As a German moving abroad, I was shocked to find ugly light fixtures already on the ceiling. I’d wanna make the space my own and not live with my landlords decor choices.

Re: Vodafone Germany is changing the open internet, one peering connection at a time

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How one can still buy into Berlin's hype in 2025?! Fuck their rental market, their landlords, three months deposit for completely empty apartment without even lightbulbs, copyright trolls, rundfunkbeitrag, rude customer service, schufa. Turn around and walk away.

You forgot the government who spends billions to 3km of motorway a few people uses. To an airport that is one of the worst in EU and almost a decade late. And of course now cut from arts because of all this. And every single construction project takes forever. And costs a fortune. And it is impossible to build housing fast enough. The reason to be in Berlin has always been its great art scene. Now they are actively d…

> To an airport that is one of the worst in EU and almost a decade late.

The delay is inexcusable but the resultant airport seems pretty good. Why do you consider it one of the worst in the EU?

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