The term "range" (in the context of a "home") typically describes a multi-function cooking appliance that features a rangetop for heating pots and an oven directly beneath it. Why is this page about lightbulbs? The subtitle even has the word they should've used instead of "range": "products".
IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products
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Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products
#182I'm not investing in any smart home products unless: * I can fully control them without the cloud on a non-internet connected network * I can either pay for updates, or they have free updates for at least 12 years, ideally 15 If a hurricane or tornado strikes, or some dictator tries to tell me what I can and can't do, my devices need to remain under my command.
Currently renovating our house, everything will be KNX based. Offline, no servers needed (even within the house) but nice for visualization, standard, 500+ vendors of compatible hardware. Highly recommended.
Also currently renovating our house, will not put any smart home stuff in it at all.
Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products
#183The term "range" (in the context of a "home") typically describes a multi-function cooking appliance that features a rangetop for heating pots and an oven directly beneath it. Why is this page about lightbulbs? The subtitle even has the word they should've used instead of "range": "products".
"Range" here refers to a range of products, in this case a collection of Matter supported devices
Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products
#184The term "range" (in the context of a "home") typically describes a multi-function cooking appliance that features a rangetop for heating pots and an oven directly beneath it. Why is this page about lightbulbs? The subtitle even has the word they should've used instead of "range": "products".
Range (noun): a set of similar things
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/range
Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products
#185For the power user, I don't see much that Matter/Thread offers over Zigbee. The "unified command protocol" is not much of a problem with attentive device selection (and for chinese products there is Tuya) and as for Thread, it's not dramatically better. There were debates around this 4+ years ago, and will be 4+ years from now. The standard is out forever, search any marketplace, you will find that Zigbee/Wifi outnum…
> There were debates around this 4+ years ago, and will be 4+ years from now. The standard is out forever, search any marketplace The submission you're commenting on seems to indicate some movement at least, from a very large company that seems to be moderately popular already because of built-in Zigbee support. So if anything, the tides are somewhat turning, but as always with standards, it takes a long time for end…
that same vendor IKEA has also abandoned Zigbee after their support of a few years.
Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products
#186The term "range" (in the context of a "home") typically describes a multi-function cooking appliance that features a rangetop for heating pots and an oven directly beneath it. Why is this page about lightbulbs? The subtitle even has the word they should've used instead of "range": "products".
"Range" here refers to a range of products, in this case a collection of Matter supported devices
"Products" would have had no such ambiguity.
Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having network access is my primary concern. The protocol was developed by the largest adware companies on the planet... I'm sure someone will chime in and say you can setup a VLAN and restrict all Matter devices from the internet yada yada... You don't have to do that with Z-Wave or ZigBee. And with ESPHome you know exactly what the device is doing because you have 100% control over it.
This is, to me, one of the absolute biggest selling points for ZigBee and Z-Wave. I can get some random, vendor I've never heard of, ZigBee sensor, and I know it won't do anything rogue on the internet because it doesn't have any way of getting to the internet. Also, ZigBee is extremely power efficient compared to WiFi. With ZigBee, I don't mind putting a sensor in the crawlspace or somewhere a pain to get to. It won…
Many Matter products are running on Thread, which uses the same radio as Zigbee and has the same power savings.
Thread doesn't have accessible IP address. It uses IPv6 and the ULA space which is non-routable.
Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products
#188Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products
#189The term "range" (in the context of a "home") typically describes a multi-function cooking appliance that features a rangetop for heating pots and an oven directly beneath it. Why is this page about lightbulbs? The subtitle even has the word they should've used instead of "range": "products".
Range (noun): a set of similar things https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/range
Range (noun): a large box-shaped device that is used to cook and heat food, either by putting the food inside or by putting it on the top https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/range#ca...
Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
A standard where you have to pay to play. Cheapest option is 3000$ per product and 500$ annual.
Unless you're running Home Assistant and open source nodes. You can build a Matter+Thread node that works on a nrf52840 MCU, there are examples in the Nordic SDK. But then, why would you bother with Matter which is so bloated it doesn't even fit in flash properly? The only example that works on 52840 requires external flash to hold the B partition for OTA updates :) So I'm using ESPHome for everything that could be w…
> Unless you're running Home Assistant and open source nodes.
I think the parent is referring more to manufacturers than end users.
It would suck to have fewer low-cost competitors, especially from China manufacturers.