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Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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That was after the first 20 years of automotive computers, though, wasn't it, if only barely? WP says, "In the early 1970s, the Japanese electronics industry began producing integrated circuits and microcontrollers used for controlling engines.[6] The Ford EEC (Electronic Engine Control) system, which used the Toshiba TLCS-12 microprocessor, entered mass production in 1975.[7]" Reference [6] says, "First half of 1970…

EEC-1 exists because regulatory uncertainty forced OEMs to build in a place where they could cheaply change the logic around emissions effecting systems. It is a computer in the same way a modern toaster is. Figure 5yr between "developing" and "fielding". And if you ignore the Plymouth Prowler exercises in putting cutting edge tech into low volume models to get practice doing so it adds another few years depending on…

That makes sense, thanks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-board_diagnostics says:

> 1981: General Motors introduced its "Computer Command Control" system on all US passenger vehicles for model year 1981. Included in this system is a proprietary 5-pin ALDL that interfaces with the Engine Control Module (ECM) to initiate a diagnostic request and provide a serial data stream. The protocol communicates at 160 baud with Pulse-width modulation (PWM) signaling and monitors all engine management functions. It reports real-time sensor data, component overrides, and Diagnostic Trouble Codes. The specification for this link is as defined by GM's Emissions Control System Project Center document XDE-5024B.[4][5]

This is still a far cry from modern cars using CAN buses for all kinds of things, but it's at least digital communication over a bidirectional data link. And then OBD-I is from 01988.

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How does this interact with the EU "eCall" mandate? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall (one of those things I've seen very little discussion of, the WP page correctly points out that this mandates a mobile-station in every car; although it does not precisely mandate that it be always-on, in practice it will be in order to manage messaging promptly)

Phones can call 112 without a SIM, so it might work, though I haven't tried it.

I thought this was removed due to abuse taking place with such phones

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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post #182

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Phones can call 112 without a SIM, so it might work, though I haven't tried it.

I thought this was removed due to abuse taking place with such phones

Oh hm, I don't know, and I didn't want to try by placing spurious emergency calls.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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I'm assuming that its stainless. it were were aggressive about it, it would take a patina for anything from grey to black. stainless also develops a really wide variety of colors if you heat treat it in an oven with good temperature control. there a bronze-like color that's nice, and also a blue. I'm amused to see that so many cybertrucks have been powder coated or wrapped in vinyl.

> I'm amused to see that so many cybertrucks have been powder coated or wrapped in vinyl. There are car enthusiasts and Cubertruck owners. There is little overlap between these two sets.

I like the obvious porsche 356 inspiration on this car. If the truck actually hit the 50K launch price, id also love to have one in the collection. But hey, make life easy by putting people into "buckets" so you feel like you have a grasp.

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post #174
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I have a BYD Seal and this was as simple as removing the SIM (it's in the armrest compartment and just pops out).

How does this interact with the EU "eCall" mandate? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall (one of those things I've seen very little discussion of, the WP page correctly points out that this mandates a mobile-station in every car; although it does not precisely mandate that it be always-on, in practice it will be in order to manage messaging promptly)

Since eCall uses 112 infrastructure, it does not need subscriber identity, as the call will be accepted by any network in range.

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Looks a little like a first gen Daihatsu Copen, and I mean that as a complement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daihatsu_Copen#First_generatio...

I'd call it a Porsche 356 Speedster homage. But the Copen mostly likely drew its inspiration from the 356 as well. The 54HP is right about what a 356 would have made with the larger engines, and the price with VAT is inflation-adjusted, roughly identical as well.

I had to dig to find this comment…Porsche called, and they want their legacy car back.

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post #185
post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does this interact with the EU "eCall" mandate? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall (one of those things I've seen very little discussion of, the WP page correctly points out that this mandates a mobile-station in every car; although it does not precisely mandate that it be always-on, in practice it will be in order to manage messaging promptly)

Since eCall uses 112 infrastructure, it does not need subscriber identity, as the call will be accepted by any network in range.

This is no longer reliably the case, because the carrier is legally required to provide a minimum set of information about the caller (its location) to the emergency services, which many cannot fulfill if the call was made without a SIM.

In the past they handled the call without that information, but after an incident in 2013 the court ruled that the requirements also must be fulfilled without a SIM (0).

So some carriers (notably all German ones) stopped accepting Emergency calls without SIM, first to not be in violation of the law but nowadays apparently due to "misuse" (?) (1).

(0) https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL...

(1) https://www.heise.de/en/background/112-Emergency-Call-Day-No...

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Some specs about the car: - 31.5kWh - 630kg - 300km (186mi) range This review explains the concept behind the car in more detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aTzuUrdyIc

Lack of DC fast charging makes the range even more limiting. It takes 2.7 hours to add another 150 miles. Modern EVs can add 150 miles of range in 10-15 minutes.

It's a recreational vehicle for booting around to and from the country club and out to the fancy places that European gentlemen go on afternoon Sunday drives to impress their mistresses.

Oh that reminds me, I should go check my lottery ticket.

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