You've been asleep or something? Current policy of every Five Eyes country:
"You could be refused entry to [...] if you:
[...]
- refuse to let an immigration officer take your photo, fingerprints or an iris scan"
Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not
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Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
GP probably meant "how" as in "By what mechanisms" not "why" as in "For what purposes". So "why" as in "what makes it do what it does".
Well, it does what it does because it's shaped like itself.
Sure but that's somewhat tautological and not very helpful if you seek an empirical or predictive understanding of it. The question really is what complexity of the system (meaning: all of it) is irreducible and what can at least be approximated with simplified models.
You may balk at this as being ultimately futile but our entire existence is built on trying to break apart and simplify the world we exist in, starting with the first cut between self/inside and other/outside (i.e. "this is me" vs "this is where I am" - a distinction that becomes immensely relevant after the moment of birth). Language itself only functions because we can create categories it can operate on - regardless of whether those categories consistenly map to reality itself.
Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not
#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
Given that we don’t know why electromagnetism exists, this is basically true for many technologies.
What do you mean? We know quite well how electromagnetism arises from U(1) symmetry in gauge theory. What else is there to know?
What does U(1) symmetry in gauge theory arise from?
Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
What exactly am I looking at?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_(blockchain) A Sam Altman project which seemingly popped up out of nowhere, and offered people free money in exchange for biometric registration on the network, in a lot of countries all over the world. It seemed to be an attempt to set up some sort of global electronic ID system and currency all in one. That silver sphere is an iris scanner, IIRC. Got shut down pretty hard in a bu…
Ah got it. I've heard about that but apparently were behind how Iris scanners look these days.
Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
It'll be treated just as stupidly as Social Security numbers, and soon we'll have biometric data breaches. >sigh Aside: Social Security numbers should be public now, too. That ship sailed a long time ago and it should be recognized.
What if people just publicized their own social security number, and then whenever they had to deal with "identity theft", they just pointed out that their SSN is public information and so it was negligent for the company to believe it was them just because of a SSN.
Just for the record, I think it’s a crazy idea to make things like DNA or fingerprints public. But a social security number is different. It’s wild how in the US, if someone gets hold of your number, they can do so many things with it. I’m from Sweden, and here we have a similar number called a personal identification number. The last digits are not secret but still sensitive. You can actually Google and find out almost anyone’s number if you want to, and it’s used for similar purposes. But it wouldn’t be enough to cause serious harm just by knowing someone’s number. Identity theft happens here too, but for a company it’s not much different from someone just having your name. It’s still a pain, but it’s nothing like in the US where your life can basically fall apart if someone gets your social security number.
Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not
#186Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not
#187Don't most people in the US get fingerprinted at some point? Let's see. I've been fingerprinted, all 10 fingers, for, at least, 1) the US Army, 2) security clearance for a DoD job, multiple times, 3) a permit to ride a horse on SF Water Department property, and 4) Customs and Border Protection Global Entry, which also took an iris scan. California DMV takes a thumbprint, but not all 10 fingers. They've been recording…
Surely there's a difference between collecting a thumbprint for a driver's license or even collecting full fingerprints for a specific job type, and collecting your DNA and an iris scan just for being a citizen? I'm German. My government literally issues ID cards and requires fingerprints for those nowadays as well (because terrorism or the children or whatever works as the excuse at the moment) but the idea of a gov…
> Surely there's a difference between collecting a thumbprint for a driver's license or even collecting full fingerprints for a specific job type, and collecting your DNA and an iris scan just for being a citizen?
Not really; every citizen is expected to have a driver's license, and this takes place before anyone has really thought about the issue even if they're likely to object later. It's sort of like the difference between baptizing infants and baptizing adults.
You're right that there's more information in the DNA, but what difference do you see in the iris scan?
Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you mean? We know quite well how electromagnetism arises from U(1) symmetry in gauge theory. What else is there to know?
What does U(1) symmetry in gauge theory arise from?
Not from bribes and/or moving faster than the regulators. Altman's projects, on the other hand...
Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not
#189One thing that i would prefer in biometrics would be that the iris/fingerprints get treated as what they are publicly available and easily obtainable data. At worst using it a a secret key is similar to using your name as a hidden variable for authorisation, whent it sshould strictly be a identification token.And once leaked you cant revoke it . Back on topic , a Gattaca type system is unbelievably bleak and when(not…
Why should they be publicly available and easily obtainable?
Visit a bus stop, pick up a stubbed out cigarette, leave it at the scene of your next crime.