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Re: Pomelli

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> Never thought I'd see the day someone would dare accuse me of selling out on a Y-fucking-Combinator discussion board. This has been, without a close second, the funniest thread I’ve ever seen on this website. The poster that started this whole thread cited the rules after telling me to fuck off

It was a shit-show of a thread of the worst kind on HN. I know you didn't start it, and I agree the commenter you were replying to started things with a generic ideological tangent. But we need everyone here to have enough restraint and poise to refrain from escalating and perpetuating flamewars.

It doesn't matter who starts something, everyone who plays a role in continuing it has some responsibility for it, and some of your comments were needlessly abusive. Commenting like that doesn't make things better on HN, and indeed they make things much worse.

When you see comments on HN that seem harmful to the health of the community, the first thing to do is flag them and if they're particularly bad, you should email us at hn@ycombinator.com so we can take a look. We can very easily address such issues quickly, well before they turn into hellish flamewars like this.

Re: Pomelli

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post #181

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> Never thought I'd see the day someone would dare accuse me of selling out on a Y-fucking-Combinator discussion board. This has been, without a close second, the funniest thread I’ve ever seen on this website. The poster that started this whole thread cited the rules after telling me to fuck off

It was a shit-show of a thread of the worst kind on HN. I know you didn't start it, and I agree the commenter you were replying to started things with a generic ideological tangent. But we need everyone here to have enough restraint and poise to refrain from escalating and perpetuating flamewars. It doesn't matter who starts something, everyone who plays a role in continuing it has some responsibility for it, and som…

>It was a shit-show of a thread of the worst kind on HN.

I agree. I was purposely very clear in my initial post in the hope that we could avoid any misunderstanding, but that clearly didn’t work out the way I’d have liked. While I tried to stick to discussing one specific thing I did let my replies get a bit loosey-goosey in response to what felt like somewhat confusing hostility.

I won’t be interacting with that user again, and I’ll email you guys next time I run into an interaction like that.

Re: Pomelli

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Please avoid generic tangents on HN. This turned into an awful flamewar, which is what happens when people introduce tangentially-relevant-but-inflammaory topics into a discussion. Please have a read of the guidelines and make an effort to observe them in future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html .

With due respect, there was no intention to start a flame war, and no intention to start a generic tangent. I calmly and directly asked awillen a question meant solely for them, regarding their comment and they responded kindly, and that could have been the end of it.

While I failed to restrain myself from continuing to engage with what in hindsight was obvious bait by two other users, even rereading their comments now, and the comments from multiple other users agreeing that these two users were being needlessly negative and argumentative, it seems clear to me that my comments were not intended to escalate (sans my final, unnecessary comment).

I even edited a comment at one point after I absentmindedly introduced a swipe, and one of the users continued to attempt to escalate by fixating on words I intentionally removed from the conversation. And at the very end, I lost my cool and got fed up.

While I respect the decisions of the moderators on this website, I fully disagree that my original comment which you have detached deserved moderation.

I try my best to observe the guidelines, in fact you can see I mentioned them several times in this thread, as I saw several blatant, wholesale violations of them. In this case, it was an innocent question to a user that was well-received, but became a target for others.

As another user in this thread mentioned, it seems quite relevant to Hacker News for a user to raise questions about the morals and ethics around owning and running digital businesses. I saw the exchange between awillen and I as very healthy, and I appreciated their answer, it meant something to me to encounter such a perspective.

From my personal view, moderating this comment is vindicating to the two individuals who attempted to derail what could have been a very tight, focused conversation between another user and I. The user did not have an email address or I likely would have just reached out to them over email to avoid attracting negativity.

Re: Pomelli

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This is really where the flamewar began. Re-reading https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45791773, I don't think it was as hostile and judgmental as you assumed. The parent commenter didn't think it was, and replied in a normal, conversational way. It was only from this comment onwards that the subthread became so toxic.

Even if that user had been as bad as you assumed, it's still not OK to respond in a hostile and escalatory way.

The guidelines ask us in several different ways to avoid this kind of commenting:

Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer.

Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents.

Please take a moment to read the guidelines and make an effort to observe them in future.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45791773 and marked it off topic.

Re: Pomelli

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post #180

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Please avoid generic tangents on HN. This turned into an awful flamewar, which is what happens when people introduce tangentially-relevant-but-inflammaory topics into a discussion. Please have a read of the guidelines and make an effort to observe them in future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html .

With due respect, there was no intention to start a flame war, and no intention to start a generic tangent. I calmly and directly asked awillen a question meant solely for them, regarding their comment and they responded kindly, and that could have been the end of it. While I failed to restrain myself from continuing to engage with what in hindsight was obvious bait by two other users, even rereading their comments n…

OK, fair enough. Re-reading your initial comment in isolation, without the rest of the subthread to influence the perception of it, I can see how it was more neutral and benign than others perceive it to be.

You were still a player in the flamewar and you could have done more to defuse the situation rather than inflame it, but I can see that it was the others who escalated first.

I've re-attached your comment and the healthy part of the subthread and detached it where it became a flamewar.

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