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Re: Recall for Linux

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Post by munchlax »

thewebguyd wrote: post #179
agentultra wrote: post #113

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It's bad in concept as well. All of that data sent to a third party server is going to be public on the Internet at some point . Security? Don't make me laugh. Countries that required government IDs to participate online have already made this mistake and those IDs have been leaked. Just because it's open source or run by $NOT_MICROSOFT won't make it any safer. The problem with other people consenting to it is that i…

> All of that data sent to a third party server is going to be public on the Internet at some point. Windows Recall is on-device only (for now). The captures stay on device in a local sqlite database, and all the processing is done on device on the NPU.

Who knows how many ways there are to exfiltrate data. Without software (and hardware) freedom, you can never tell what's going on.

Re: Recall for Linux

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Post by adastra22 »

jFriedensreich wrote: post #67

Its kind of naive satire that looks silly on second thought. Recall was not bad because of the concept but implementation details, rollout communication and of course the microsoft part. Recall by an open entity with data ownership, security and transparency would have none of those issues and its just a new take on the universal desktop search that is enabled by ai being able to utilise pixels. I refuse to be shamed…

Recall is absolutely horrible in concept irregardless of implementation. Would you accept a big brother security camera over your shoulder recording every minute of your life? No? That’s the equivalent of what Recall is.

Re: Recall for Linux

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Post by newscombinatorY »

jajuuka wrote: post #163
jFriedensreich wrote: post #67

Its kind of naive satire that looks silly on second thought. Recall was not bad because of the concept but implementation details, rollout communication and of course the microsoft part. Recall by an open entity with data ownership, security and transparency would have none of those issues and its just a new take on the universal desktop search that is enabled by ai being able to utilise pixels. I refuse to be shamed…

I think you hit the nail on the head. Recall was problematic because of the lack of information provided when they announced it. How would it handle sensitive details like banking account pages. Can developers opt out for best security practices? How is the managed in an enterprise environment? Once they delayed and got all their ducks in a row it's a much more solid feature. Not for everyone, but a good way to lever…

What irritates me most about all these unwanted "innovations" is that they always make them opt-out. "If it's opt-in, nobody's gonna use it - and it's such a flawless feature, we should be shoving it down everyone's throats"

Re: Recall for Linux

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Post by orbital-decay »

cesarb wrote: post #171
kccqzy wrote: post #118

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Conceptually a feature similar to Recall doesn't have to involve sending any data to third parties. It should not need to be a service just a piece of software running locally, doing OCR and full text search indexing using local compute. Incidentally I often tell my friends I run an app on my phone that captures my location 24/7 and they would initially sound horrified. But then I tell them all my location data is no…

> I often tell my friends I run an app on my phone that captures my location 24/7 [...] But then I tell them all my location data is not sent to anywhere on the Internet Your phone is on the Internet. It takes only one attack (for instance, someone sends you an image which exploits an RCE on the image decoder and then chains into a privilege escalation exploit), or a careless mistake (like marking the wrong folder to…

>if you never saved your location history, there's no risk of it being leaked after the fact

Very Buddhist in principle. I still prefer having my GPX tracks though, because they're useful to me, as well as notes, journals, logs... Local security is a separate question, and it's light years apart from stuff like Recall.

Re: Recall for Linux

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Post by a456463 »

noir_lord wrote: post #99
franciscop wrote: post #68

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I've directly moved at least 3 people out of Windows, and indirectly I'd guess at least a dozen. If all of us techies did the same, it'd be over pretty soon.

I've no one left to convert, my mums been running Linux since ~2016 when I got tired of her breaking windows (and in fairness it was her doing it most of the time) so I switched her to mint. Her only requirement for her new computer is "it has to run that minty thing?" (it's actually running Fedora and has been for quite a while but that's the nice thing - she doesn't need to know or care ) - it's still the same for…

Same. My inlaws be rockin' ebay refurb lenovos with fedora for 6 years now

Re: Recall for Linux

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Post by munchlax »

cocoa19 wrote: post #174
agentultra wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's bad in concept as well. All of that data sent to a third party server is going to be public on the Internet at some point . Security? Don't make me laugh. Countries that required government IDs to participate online have already made this mistake and those IDs have been leaked. Just because it's open source or run by $NOT_MICROSOFT won't make it any safer. The problem with other people consenting to it is that i…

Not only leaks, but anything on the cloud is subject to be inspected by the government.

*the goverment and foreign espionage agencies

FTFY

Re: Recall for Linux

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Post by nwallin »

bithead wrote: post #157
Tarean wrote: post #129

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I'm pretty sure recall was specifically a selling point for laptops with ai chips which could do the processing locally and reasonably efficiently? Though storing the data locally still could make getting compromised by a targeted attack more dangerous.

I have to wonder what edge AI would look like on a laptop. Little super mini Nvidia Jetson? How much added cost? How much more weight for the second and third batteries? And the fourth and fifth batteries to be able to unplug for more than a few minutes?

They're called NPUs and all recent CPUs from Intel, AMD, or Apple have them. They're actually reasonably power efficient. All flagship smartphones have them, as well as several models down the line as well.

IIRC linux drivers are pretty far behind, because no one who works on linux stuff is particularly interested in running personal info like screenshots or mic captures through a model and uploading the telemetry. While in general I get annoyed when my drivers suck, in this particular case I don't care.

Re: Recall for Linux

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Post by robert-wallis »

teekert wrote: post #46
noir_lord wrote: post #27

For the first time since the 1980's I'm not going to be running a PC with a Microsoft OS on anywhere (I dual boot my main desktop since I use it for work and gaming) but the Windows 11 install is getting binned. Tired of having to read release notes carefully and make sure I've done just the right things to stop it doing things I never asked it to do. Good job MS, you lost a customer who's never likely to come back.…

The value MS gains from milking to non technical people for all they’re worth outweighs the loss of the occasional tech savvy user. And sadly I think MS are still far from the tipping point and it will get worse and worse for some time to come. The only thing the non-techies have is the law to protect them.

I remember Google being more popular with tech savvy users than Yahoo or Alta-Vista. IMO this is the writing on the wall.

Re: Recall for Linux

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Post by jandrese »

utrack wrote: post #138
w4rh4wk5 wrote: post #78

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What issue did you run into? It's using grim for capturing the screen.

I don't see any results on KDE Wayland; a (fairly old) open issue: https://github.com/openrecall/openrecall/issues/10 --- mss.exception.ScreenShotError: XGetImage() failed

Yeah, Wayland leaves this up to the compositors, and the compositors never bothered to implement it.

Re: Recall for Linux

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Post by drnick1 »

anonymous908213 wrote: post #60
moi2388 wrote: post #47

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I disagree. Tech people shape governmental IT policies. You already see some governments in the EU moving away from Microsoft. Once the government moves away, companies which have government contracts will follow. I think the dominoes are starting to fall.

This is irrelevant to consumer adoption. The Chinese government uses their own Linux-based OS, which should be a common-sense national security policy, and it would certainly be a good idea for the rest of the world's governments to catch up and not rely on a US for-profit corporation. But even in China, 99% of regular people are using Windows. The dominoes really aren't going anywhere. The average consumer has an ex…

> The average consumer has an extremely high tolerance for security and privacy violations

Absolutely, or Facebook/Instagram/Whatsapp and similar "apps" wouldn't be nearly as successful.

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