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ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Great more distros, just what The Year of Linux Desktop needs.

Great more sarcasm, just want the HN community needs.

Yes, because many in the Linux community tend to focus on the wrong stuff, regarding adoption, and that is why one ends up with Proton.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Great more sarcasm, just want the HN community needs.

Yes, because many in the Linux community tend to focus on the wrong stuff, regarding adoption, and that is why one ends up with Proton.

You keep bringing up Proton but you forget that Proton is just Wine + a couple of other existing FOSS projects + some of Valve's patches. Wine is really what makes the magic happen, and Wine existed as far back as 1993, and there was barely a Linux community back then. So you can't really blame the community for Proton, it's just a natural result of things. Even before Proton came along, there were similar projects to make Wine gaming easier, such as PlayOnLinux, CrossOver etc. So Proton is nothing new, its just a natural evolution of an ecosystem that's been evolving over three decades.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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I am choosing to let them install kernel level software because I want to be able to play multiplayer games without cheaters. There doesn't seem to be any other way that people have found to effectively block cheaters. A user is in full control of their Linux install, which is great... unless I want to play them in a game and they decide to cheat. It is a tradeoff, yes, but one I choose to make because being able to…

> I am choosing to let them install kernel level software because I want to be able to play multiplayer games without cheaters. Except this way doesn't actually stop cheaters. A quick google shows that there's BF6 hacks for sale if I want to cheat.

It significantly reduces the number of cheaters and makes catching and banking cheaters easier. I hate it too, but that is just the reality right now.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Kernel-level DRM isn't a chicken/egg problem; it's completely at odds with people who are choosing to run an OS that obeys them instead of some random third party like Microsoft/Google/Apple on hardware they own. Voting with their wallet is precisely what the other user said they do.

I don’t really know who you’re talking to? Your options are, 1. Buy Windows. Means you has absolutely no control. 2. Promote the development of anti-cheat on the linux, where you can not install it because you don’t like it. No idea that you’re arguing against me, when all I’m doing is arguing for increased amount of freedom is tad silly.. no?

Option 3 was already stated: don't buy software that requires a DRM rootkit. Vote against it with your wallet.

Battlefield 6 requires a rootkit? Battlefield 1942 and 2 are still fun and don't. I've had only Linux on my home computers for like a decade now, and Windows has since then become unusable so I'm not going back. Why would I buy software that won't run?

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Yes, because many in the Linux community tend to focus on the wrong stuff, regarding adoption, and that is why one ends up with Proton.

You keep bringing up Proton but you forget that Proton is just Wine + a couple of other existing FOSS projects + some of Valve's patches. Wine is really what makes the magic happen, and Wine existed as far back as 1993, and there was barely a Linux community back then. So you can't really blame the community for Proton, it's just a natural result of things. Even before Proton came along, there were similar projects t…

Because that is ultimately what makes Windows games run on Linux, and represents Valve's failure to change the culture of game studios to consider GNU/Linux worth targeting, even when they have Android/NDK builds that they could easily use as starting point.

Indeed nothing is new, rebooting the Linux Desktop every couple of years, and I still cannot buy a GNU/Linux powered desktop at the shopping mall, with 100% everything working, unless it comes packaged on a VM running on top of macOS or Windows.

And when a problem is found in sleep modes, graphics, audio, fingerprint reader or whatever, there is always that person replying like being in some Linux forum powered by phpBB during the early 2000's.

Windows games work on Linux, until Microsoft decides it is time to do something about it, ROG XBox Ally is only the first step, and lets not forget current Valve's management won't live forever.

So it remains to be seen if the new owners when it comes to be, will be that willing to keep the same culture.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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It is the same in what matters, ISO C and ISO C++ support, OpenGL ES, Vulkan, OpenSL ES and OpenMAX. Much closer than porting Win32/DirectX, LibGNM(X)/OrbisOS and so on.

I think a better comparison would be porting a game from PC to XBox. Technically the renderers and kernels are the same, but almost everything else, from debuggers and SDKs to peripherals is different.

Ah, ok from that point of view you're right.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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There is a way. Custom servers with commuties police cheaters willingly and consistently. It also lets games exist beyond the corporate lifecycle.

My favorite part about playing Madden and FIFA/FC is that I can login, hit play online, and within 30 seconds I am playing against someone who is pretty close to my skill level. That is impossible with custom servers. I have played MANY games that are based around custom servers (and still play some today), and there are many great qualities with those types of games. However, you lose that 'find a good game in under…

Warcraft 3 had random ranked matchmaking and hosted games. It's entirely possible to do both side-by-side.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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There is a way. Custom servers with commuties police cheaters willingly and consistently. It also lets games exist beyond the corporate lifecycle.

My favorite part about playing Madden and FIFA/FC is that I can login, hit play online, and within 30 seconds I am playing against someone who is pretty close to my skill level. That is impossible with custom servers. I have played MANY games that are based around custom servers (and still play some today), and there are many great qualities with those types of games. However, you lose that 'find a good game in under…

Why can't game search include custom servers? Imperfect solutions can still be great solutions.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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I know this is extreme, but people buying these Xbox handhelds over a Steam Deck are directly harming the future of gaming on PC. It's time that the PC gaming ecosystem breaks free from its dependency on Windows. Proton and SteamOS, combined with the unpopular mess that is Windows 11 is the perfect opportunity to do so. The long-term end goal for Microsoft is to lock down Windows and force signed code. Once users are…

I keep telling folks that Proton was a mistake and SteamDeck will suffer the same fate as netbooks. FOSS folks don't get that the gammer culture does not overlap with FOSS, everyone is cool with NDAs and IP, it is all about the experience in that realm. The call to migrate in droves to Linux has been happening since a unpopular Windows version comes out, since Windows XP, and still Valve had to come up with Proton, a…

They've sold ~8 million units. Well past the technical argument and the devs who can't be told, that's 8 million Windows licenses they haven't bought. I thin they've more than paid off the salaries of the few people they've hired to make Proton a reality.

Not sure I see your comparison to Netbooks; they failed because ultra-cheap laptops are inherently bad. You cut that many corners, you lose quality. They lost out to tablets, better phones, and Chromebooks, each doing something a netbook did but better. Steam Decks are a format that will persist.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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I love my Steam Deck, but it is really frustrating how many of the games i regularly play can't be played on it - Madden, EA FC, PUBG, all won't run even though the hardware is plenty to play them. The limitations of anti cheat on Linux might be insurmountable

Bought GTA IV only to find out the Rockstar Launcher got broken on Linux about a month before I purchased it. Downloaded all twenty gigs of the game, can’t use a penny’s worth due to the broken Rockstar Launcher.

Rockstars DRM is so bad they sell Razor1911 cracks on steam.
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