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Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

#181

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The Soviet Union had freedom of speech too. It's just that you didn't have freedom after the speech was the problem.

I honestly cannot figure out what you are trying to say here. I don't think you can either. Nobody is throwing anybody in prison, nor threatening to. One of the reasons the First Amendment applies only to the government is that, unlike an app store, it can throw people in prison.

My point is that the letter of the First Amendment and the spirit of the First Amendment are at odds when faced with modern day reality. Between government and corporations, and being fined, vs being put in prison, it's all up for debate. We can look at the letter of the First Amendment and twist and turn it to come to a definition that the courts can agree on, but stepping back from that, the bigger picture is the people are trying to speak and that this entity that isn't the government, is restricting that, with downstream effects. You're right that the First Amendment doesn't apply to app stores run by a private corporation. It's still a restriction on speech by a large organization against an individual, and the freedom of speech gives people the right to complain about it.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

#182
post #55

This is a very problematic choice and as much as I want to think it wasn't malicious, at every turn it sure looks like it's meant to be inflammatory. I can think of exactly one good reason to mark religious content as NSFW (under F-Droid's bizarre and very not normal definition of that word): To protect persons living in areas of the world where association with that religion is ruinous or outright dangerous due to p…

> I can think of exactly one good reason to mark religious content as NSFW

Fundamentalism ?

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

#183

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I honestly cannot figure out what you are trying to say here. I don't think you can either. Nobody is throwing anybody in prison, nor threatening to. One of the reasons the First Amendment applies only to the government is that, unlike an app store, it can throw people in prison.

My point is that the letter of the First Amendment and the spirit of the First Amendment are at odds when faced with modern day reality. Between government and corporations, and being fined, vs being put in prison, it's all up for debate. We can look at the letter of the First Amendment and twist and turn it to come to a definition that the courts can agree on, but stepping back from that, the bigger picture is the p…

If you were talking about Apple or Google, you might have a point, although you would be better off to talk about "freedom of speech", since "the First Amendment" refers to a very specific piece of legal text (and one that nobody has actually ever said should apply to app stores).

But we're talking about F-Droid here. It has a tiny market share. It uses software that lets literally anybody else set up a repository and have it appear integrated in the same app. It doesn't benefit from any of the legal or social advantages given to large corporations. F-Droid, unlike Apple or Google, can't in fact do much to limit anybody's speech.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

#184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point is that the letter of the First Amendment and the spirit of the First Amendment are at odds when faced with modern day reality. Between government and corporations, and being fined, vs being put in prison, it's all up for debate. We can look at the letter of the First Amendment and twist and turn it to come to a definition that the courts can agree on, but stepping back from that, the bigger picture is the p…

If you were talking about Apple or Google, you might have a point, although you would be better off to talk about "freedom of speech", since "the First Amendment" refers to a very specific piece of legal text (and one that nobody has actually ever said should apply to app stores). But we're talking about F-Droid here. It has a tiny market share. It uses software that lets literally anybody else set up a repository an…

It's fair to point out fdroid's drastically smaller market share, but in an effort to avoid"meet the new boss, same as the old.boss" I still think it's worthwhile to point out the levers of power and systems involved.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

#185
post #109

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But religions are only normal once they have numbers, theres no judgement on the content. These cults just have to survive and thrive long enough to become normalised.

You can see everything as a cult. Science, with its cultic belief that everything is a particle also just survived long enough to become normal. The question is, are members of one cult wise enough to accept other cults, or are they so insecure that they have to tag them with "NSFW"?

Incorrect science proved and proves itself everyday thru trial and error. cause and effect. Hypothesis and expirment.... To hear it compared to "faith" is offensive and absurd.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

#186
post #91

So... what's the big deal? Putting aside the various arguments whether religious texts should be marked as such, the wording of this policy, etc, etc... literally what difference does it make that these apps now have this flag? Do people think users will see this flag and be like, "Oh dear me I had no idea the Bible was NSFW; won't be reading that now!"? Just confused about the outrage.

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Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

#187

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It's all about interpretation, which is the point where you mark something as not appropriate for children so that parents can actively make the choice on if their kids should be exposed to it. In this case there's very little argument about whether we want more people following the voice in their head to kill their son, which is from the bible, or having vanilla sex, which is the definition of hardcore porn (as oppo…

> whether we want more people following the voice in their head to kill their son Now, to be fair, the voice did walk that back once it was clear the guy was going to do it. It just needed to be reassured that it was special.

Classic narcissist/ borderline personality disorder style manipulation btw.... Which says a lot about the religion ...

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

#188
post #98

Maybe I'm in the minority but I consider religious text books, prayer tracking/reading apps as the low-effort ones - doesn't matter which religion it is. These will eventually show up in the "store" in countless versions. But I get it at the same time - some people may want them on their devices. I'm more concerned in this case that NSFW section contains "political incorrectness". Who's going to decide here what's in…

Yeah I'm just glad this NSFW tag filters out all this junk.... The screenshot in the thread of all the Bible apps in search after toggling filter is actually funny.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

#189
post #97
post #91

So... what's the big deal? Putting aside the various arguments whether religious texts should be marked as such, the wording of this policy, etc, etc... literally what difference does it make that these apps now have this flag? Do people think users will see this flag and be like, "Oh dear me I had no idea the Bible was NSFW; won't be reading that now!"? Just confused about the outrage.

You have to enable a setting to see apps marked with that anti-feature when searching

So it hurts their goal of evangelizing off of other people's volunteer infrastructure....so sad...anyway ..
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