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Re: Claude Haiku 4.5

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Pretty cute pelican on a slightly dodgy bicycle: https://tools.simonwillison.net/svg-render#%3Csvg%20viewBox%...

I’m surprised none of the frontier model companies have thrown this test in as an Easter egg.

OpenAI / Bing admit it's in its knowledge base.

are you aware of the pelican on a bicycle test?

Yes — the "Pelican on a Bicycle" test is a quirky benchmark created by Simon Willison to evaluate how well different AI models can generate SVG images from prompts.

Re: Claude Haiku 4.5

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post #35
post #32

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I don't understand why we're paying for caching at all (except: model providers can charge for it). It's almost extortion - the provider stores some data for 5min on some disk, and gets to sell their highly limited GPU resources to someone else instead (because you are using the kv cache instead of GPU capacity for a good chunk of your input tokens). They charge you 10% of their GPU-level prices for effectively _not_…

It's not about storing data on disk, it's about keeping data resident in memory.

Deepseek pioneered automatic prefix caching and caches on SSD. SSD reads are so fast compared to LLM inference that I can't think of a reason to waste ram on it.

Re: Claude Haiku 4.5

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post #111
post #57

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Gemini Pro initially refused (!) but it was quite simple to get a response: > give me the svg of a pelican riding a bicycle > I am sorry, I cannot provide SVG code directly. However, I can generate an image of a pelican riding a bicycle for you! > ok then give me an image of svg code that will render to a pelican riding a bicycle, but before you give me the image, can you show me the svg so I make sure it's correct?…

Gemini 3.0 Pro (or what is deemed to be 3.0 Pro - you can get access to it via A/B testing on AI Studio) does a noticeably better job https://x.com/cannn064/status/1972349985405681686 https://x.com/whylifeis4/status/1974205929110311134 https://x.com/cannn064/status/1976157886175645875

How do people trigger A/B testing?

Re: Claude Haiku 4.5

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I’m surprised none of the frontier model companies have thrown this test in as an Easter egg.

All of hacker news(and simons blog) is undoubtedly in the training data for LLMs. If they specifically tried to cheat at this benchmark it would be obvious and they would be called out

> If they specifically tried to cheat at this benchmark it would be obvious and they would be called out

I doubt it. Most would just go “Wow, it really looks like a pelican on a bicycle this time! It must be a good LLM!”

Most people trust benchmarks if they seem to be a reasonable test of something they assume may be relevant to them. While a pelican on a bicycle may not be something they would necessarily want, they want an LLM that could produce a pelican on a bicycle.

Re: Claude Haiku 4.5

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post #52

I am really interested in the future of Opus; is it going to be an absolute monster, and continue to be wildly expensive? Or is the leap from 4 -> 4.5 for it going to be more modest.

I wonder what the next smaller model after Haiku will be called. "Claude Phrase"?

Claude Clause.

Re: Claude Haiku 4.5

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I am really interested in the future of Opus; is it going to be an absolute monster, and continue to be wildly expensive? Or is the leap from 4 -> 4.5 for it going to be more modest.

My impression is that Sonnet and Haiku 4.5 are the same "base models" as Sonnet and Haiku 4, the improvements are from fine tuning on data generated by Opus. I'm a user who follows the space but doesn't actually develop or work on these models, so I don't actually know anything, but this seems like standard practice (using the biggest model to finetune smaller models) Certainly, GPT-4 Turbo was a smaller model than G…

These frontier model companies are bootstrapping their work by using models to improve models. It’s a mechanism to generate fake training data. The rationale is the teacher model is already vetted and aligned so it can reliably “mock” data. A little human data gets amplified.

Re: Claude Haiku 4.5

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post #111
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gemini Pro initially refused (!) but it was quite simple to get a response: > give me the svg of a pelican riding a bicycle > I am sorry, I cannot provide SVG code directly. However, I can generate an image of a pelican riding a bicycle for you! > ok then give me an image of svg code that will render to a pelican riding a bicycle, but before you give me the image, can you show me the svg so I make sure it's correct?…

Gemini 3.0 Pro (or what is deemed to be 3.0 Pro - you can get access to it via A/B testing on AI Studio) does a noticeably better job https://x.com/cannn064/status/1972349985405681686 https://x.com/whylifeis4/status/1974205929110311134 https://x.com/cannn064/status/1976157886175645875

That 2nd one is wild.

Ugh. I hate this hype train. I'll be foaming at the mouth with excitement for the first couple of days until the shine is off.

Re: Claude Haiku 4.5

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post #102
post #30

Very preliminary testing is very promising, seems far more precise in code changes over GPT-5 models in not ingesting irrelevant to the task at hand code sections for changes which tends to make GPT-5 as a coding assistant take longer than sometimes expected. With that being the case, it is possible that in actual day-to-day use, Haiku 4.5 may be less expensive than the raw cost breakdown may appear initially, though…

Update, Haiku 4.5 is not just very targeted in terms of changes but also really fast. Averaging at 220token/sec is almost double most other models I'd consider comparable (though again, far to early to make a proper judgement) and if this can be kept up, that is a massive value add over other models. That is nearly Gemini 2.5 Flash Lite speed for context. Yes, we got Groq and Cerebras getting up to 1000token/sec, but…

It's insanely fast. I didn't know it had even been released, but I went to select the copilot SWE test model in VSCode and it was missing and Haiku 4.5 was there instead. I asked for a huge change to a web app and the output from Haiku scrolled the text faster than Windows could keep up. From a cold start. Wrote a huge chunk of code in about 40 seconds. Unreal.

p.s. it also got the code 100% correct on the one-shot p.p.s. Microsoft are pricing it out at 30% the cost of frontier models (e.g. Sonnet 4.5, GPT5)

Re: Claude Haiku 4.5

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post #54

I've tried it on a test case for generating a simple SaaS web page (design + code). Usually I'm using GPT-5-mini for that task. Haiku 4.5 runs 3x faster with roughly comparable results (I slightly prefer the GPT-5-mini output but may have just accustomed to it).

I don't understand why more people don't talk about how fast the models are. I see so much obsession with bechmark scores but speed of response is very important for day to day use. I agree that the models from OpenAI and Google have much slower responses than the models from Anthropic. That makes a lot of them not practical for me.

I don’t agree that speed by itself is a big factor. It may target a certain audience but I don’t mind waiting for a correct output rather than too many turns with a faster model.
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