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No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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I agree, nowadays Linux seems like the only reliable solution. Even macOS, with the latest "liquid glass" update, feels like a toy for kids. I just wish the Affinity suite would be available for Linux too.

Having run Linux every day, I can say we’re in trouble if that is the reliable option :) (Agree that Liquid Glass is miserable, though.)

MacOS and Windows might break[1] less often than Linux, but when it does I stand less of a chance of fixing it. Linux is usually more fiddly, but if does something I don't want its usually only a few minutes to find the config file or a plugin for the Desktop Environment to alter the behavior.

[1]: "Break" here meaning "behaves in a way I don't want"

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Can someone answer why is this ok on iOS and macOS but not Windows? They all provide backup via their own paid clouds and ask for an opt-in.

Does iOS constantly (multiple times a day) spam you if you don't enable backup? (I've had it turned on for so long that I honestly don't know what they do.)

Yes, it periodically pesters me with it.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Can someone answer why is this ok on iOS and macOS but not Windows? They all provide backup via their own paid clouds and ask for an opt-in.

you sort of, answered your own question. the lack of user value for microsoft is a keystone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_(architecture)

Err... I don't understand what keystone means in your sentence.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Can someone answer why is this ok on iOS and macOS but not Windows? They all provide backup via their own paid clouds and ask for an opt-in.

On MacOS, you still get local user accounts and Apple's optional online features are still optional. Microsoft is using all the levers at their disposal to force users to use online Microsoft accounts to log onto their local computer and even turn on formerly optional features like One Drive. My assumption is that Microsoft is using their access to user data to build up everyone's advertising profile, and forcing you…

Why is your assumption for Microsoft different from Apple?

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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I just want to rant a bit about Microsoft right now. A few weeks ago, Microsoft decided to auto-update my mom's computer to Windows 11, and delightfully the computer no longer booted. Even after a litany of different boot keystrokes and automatic repairs and attempted recoveries, it would not boot. I think it has something to do with the utter incompetence of the Windows automatic update process not correctly updatin…

Been there - I help a lot of older folks with their business computers.

The desire to make Windows an appliance falls flat when older PCs get on that auto-update treadmill.

For example, Windows now comes OEM with Bitlocker drive encryption enabled. Good in theory - when you toss/donate/sell your old PC, normies don't think about their personal lives and banking details being available, so that's good. However, they almost never get backups working right, and this cripples anyone from rescuing them from a drive failure in a critical PC that has their entire business books on it. This is not uncommon.

I think it's the unfortunate result of different PMs for different features strong-arming things on, but at different paces and maturity levels, and the result is Windows isn't safe to trust for the non-technical user.

My checklist these days when I end up assuming responsibility for someone: Drive encryption off, Passwords into a manager, Backups set, Updates disabled, Remote access installed.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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This work is 10x more effort than it sounds too due to how severely mistakes are penalised (i.e. unrecoverable files), necessitating extreme caution. When uploading 10k photos from macOS to Google Cloud using the Google Cloud macOS app, it said syncing had completed about 2 hours earlier than my back-of-the-envelope calculations predicted. "Great", I thought, but was still a bit suspicious, so just in case, before de…

Honestly, the Google Drive for Desktop app was extremely reliable when Google was managing the files. Then when macOS provided native support for cloud filesystems, it migrated to that. And it's been a complete mess. Uploads often don't get triggered until you restart the system, exactly what you're describing. I'm pretty sure they're Apple macOS bugs, not Google ones. Because those kinds of bugs are constant across…

> when macOS provided native support for cloud filesystems

When was that? I haven't regularly used a Mac in a good four years. At the time I had the Google Drive app with a business subscription, and I don't think there was any other option. It was terrible, to the point I completely gave up on it. Just like the other poster says, it would say, "I'm all synced up", but only half my files would be synced. I'd need to restart it to get syncing again. When I would try to get a large amount of files from the cloud to local storage, it would randomly crap out.

Basically, it would stall very often, and this was on wired gigabit ethernet, not some spotty mobile connection from a phone via wifi in a crowded cafe.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Nuts. Is this still true? I just setup a Win11 Pro machine for a very non-technical person. Uninstalled OneDrive, hoping to minimize future pain when 90% of the needs are just a web browser and storing camera pictures. (No, Linux was not an option)

I have absolutely seen them reinstall components like that, force their AV back on, force Windows Update back on, etc. It's probably actually good imo for the users I've seen, but admittedly "computer says no" is infuriating if you're sure of what you want. Try using Group Policy to disable it. I think Applocker is on Win 11 Pro now - if it is, you can block the execution of whatever programs and DLLs you want. I've…

Well, I will at least throw in the Group Policy tweak when I have the chance. Thanks for the tip.
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