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Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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if you combine all the fallen starlink satellites and the debris/waste they produce in a year, it comes down to about less than 0.1% of what the earth receives from space in the same year

Is that true? I recall seeing a 16% or so number for the increase in mass burning up in the atmosphere. Edit: I can’t find a source for any number for the increase. If you know could you share one? Ah nevermind this seems solid https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S02731...

100 tons/day from NASA https://www.nasa.gov/solar-system/asteroids/asteroid-fast-fa...

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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> the immense possible good worldwide internet It's hard to take your argument seriously if you think that's more important than preserving the environment

> hard to take your argument seriously if you think that's more important than preserving the environment Okay, go convince a few billion Indians and Chinese they should wait to industrialize because the environment can’t take it.

What does this have to do with anything ITT?

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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What's really going wrong: [1]

It's not the boring process. It's the use of concrete curing accelerants producing toxic sludge.

Often, the accelerants would spill into groundwater and mix with concrete and other debris, creating a toxic mix of sludge, sometimes about two-feet deep, that workers would often have to trudge through. The OSHA report cited workers with permanently scarred arms and legs, and one instance in which a worker was hit in the face and seared with the chemical mix. Temperatures would regularly rise to 100 degrees as workers often toiled for 12 hour days, sometimes for six or seven days a week, at a worksite nicknamed “the plantation” by some workers, who spoke to the Nevada safety agency for its report. Workers also claimed having to ask for permission to use the bathroom.

That's the OSHA complaint. The environmental complaint comes from disposing of that sludge.

Sludge removal and treatment is a standard problem in tunneling. Usually, it's pumped out with "trash pumps" that can tolerate rocks and sand. Then it goes through some basic processing - screen out the big rocks, separate water from wet sludge, run the water through a mini sewerage treatment plant on site, squeeze more water out of the sludge, add bentonite as an absorbent to lock up toxics, and truck away the dry sludge.[2]

What it seems The Boring Company has been doing is dumping the wet sludge on a vacant lot in Las Vegas [3] and waiting for the water to run off or evaporate. The vacant lot isn't even out in the desert outside the city; it's in town, and the nearby mall is annoyed.

Reports of water two feet deep in the tunnels means they skimped on pumps and water processing. They're using a TBM, which makes a concrete tube as it digs. Most tunneling operations keep the completed tube dry.

[1] https://www.inc.com/sam-blum/elon-musks-boring-company-subje...

[2] https://www.blackrhinosep.com/application/tunneling-slurry-s...

[3] https://lasvegas.citycast.fm/explainers/boring-company-drill...

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Indeed! I think the Vegas loop has immense potential. There are many ways we can iterate on this concept. Perhaps we can use bigger cars, in a bus like shape to transport more people at once. Or we could remove the batteries to save cost and weight and supply the cars with an external power source. There is immense potential here and I believe this will revolutionise transport.

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Just because Musk is doing something new in this space does not mean it represents progress.

> I hate this "if you're not doing the perfect thing don't do anything at all" mindset of the degrowth group.

800 environmental violations would suggest it's a little bit worse than "imperfect"

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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It's possible to be pro-progress while being anti-this specific thing. In particular, Elon Musk came out and admitted that he hates trains and busses and admitted that he just made up Boring Co to distract from giving money to them. The Boring Co tunnels in Vegas are a boondoggle and not even well designed (whether that's due to lack of funds or stupidity or corruption, who knows!). The problem is the opportunity cos…

In the last 50 years, well before Elon was involved and supposedly sabotaging all this great subway progress, how many new subway projects in America were started and successfully finished? Maybe Elon's solution is a requirement to make ANY progress because the other ones have stalled out? I would love a subway. Here in Austin, they proposed a bunch of new trains and subways for billions of dollars. We all voted yes…

I don't know who "you all" is. What I'm saying is that that the money spent on the Vegas tunnels could have been better spent on the monorail system. I'm not in charge of anything though, so me saying that doesn't affect anything.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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All this so a handful of passengers a week can wait for the extremely small pool of vehicles in a dusty hole

When we were in Vegas for Def Con, one of the tube stations was next to one of the Las Vegas Convention Center entrances. I'd occasionally hang out there with friends, and once every half an hour or so, we'd see a lonely Tesla weave through the traffic cone path and disappear into the nethers.

Based purely on my own observations, I'd guesstimate that station sees about 50-75 cars per day.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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everybody knew and voiced their knowledge before, during, and after the Vegas tunnel that Boring Co and the Hyperloop were just bad concepts. You didn't need to waste money to try it, because it's not new tech. It's a tunnel. It's a solution to traffic. It's for riders, not drivers. But instead of calling it a train and therefore being _lame_, you slap a fresh coat of paint on it with _self driving cars_ and _insane_…

Not self driving cars. The Las Vegas loop has human drivers.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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All this so a handful of passengers a week can wait for the extremely small pool of vehicles in a dusty hole

There was a CityNerd video (which you may take or leave in general, but I found the anecdote interesting) in which there appeared to be one vehicle in service on the entire system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPjODKUxV5g I assume though that they would adjust the capacity depending on time of day and whether there's an event or something going on, to some degree.

> there appeared to be one vehicle in service on the entire system

I watched that video the other day, pretty sure it didn’t say that. What it did point out though is that in most of the system, other than the one main line, there’s just one single-lane tunnel so that when a car is in a tunnel going one way, cars going the other direction have to wait to enter the tunnel until the tunnel is clear.

The title of the video seems pretty accurate: “The Vegas Loop Is Getting Progressively More Stupid.”

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