No, no, no you guys don't understand. This is not a cheap rip-off. It's an homage and the Swiss will be honoured that their famous clock has been elevated to the high-art status of Apple design and innovation. The critical eye of an average iPhone user will appreciate the fine craftsmanship & precision of the painstaking work that went into translating the iconic clock into an exact digital replica.
Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
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Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry, I don't understand the satire here. It sounds like you're mimicking the response to claims that Apple stole designs from Braun? But the two situations are nothing alike -- cribbing industrial design elements from defunct products is a far cry from duplicating a trademarked image more or less exactly. It seems more likely you're trying to dig on Apple for going thermonuclear on trade dress while at the same tim…
I'm not sure the SBB will sue Apple. Their relationship is a little bit more complex than mere two unrelated companies: Some context: The iPhone has a huge penetration rate in Switzerland (2.9 million devices sold for a population of 8 million people). Switzerland also has very good public transportation, held together by the train system of the SBB. And therefore, almost every iPhone user has the SBB Mobile App inst…
Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
#183The SBB should be careful. If Apple's unhappy, they can move the rail lines into the nearest river. They have that power now.
Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry, I don't understand the satire here. It sounds like you're mimicking the response to claims that Apple stole designs from Braun? But the two situations are nothing alike -- cribbing industrial design elements from defunct products is a far cry from duplicating a trademarked image more or less exactly. It seems more likely you're trying to dig on Apple for going thermonuclear on trade dress while at the same tim…
People probably feel that it is hypocritical to sue one company for copying your designs, and then turn around and copy designs off someone else, especially when they happen right a few months apart. Personally, my moral compass immediately feels that this is worse than just plain copying, and I assume that is why people are reacting with a stronger anti-Apple sentiment here.
Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
#185Judging from the Swiss trademark registry, the protection as a trademark ended a few days ago on September 3, 2012:
https://www.swissreg.ch/srclient/de/tm/512830
In addition, the trademark is only protected for class 14 as clocks and its parts but not for other classes and in particular not for software.
Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
Misguided sarcasm. It is indeed a homage. 1) Apple didn't copy the design to make it's own clock rip-off. It is for a very tiny part of their original product. 2) Apple didn't copy the design to sell more iPhones. 3) The design is famous. It's not like Apple sneakily copied it thinking no one will notice. 4) It's a common "click of the eye" gesture to design-savvy public, like their basing their podcast app to classi…
It seems to me that a lot of people on HN are assuming that this design is an intentional rip-off. It's entirely possible that whoever did the icon didn't realize that they had seen a clock like that before and thus didn't realize they might infringe on someone else's trademark.
Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
#187Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
#188Did Apple think they would get away with copying one of the most iconic clock designs ever without anyone noticing? I am speechless. Are cracks starting to show in a post-Jobs Apple too big to fix? I don't want to bash them, but this is blatant and unlicensed copying at its best. Kind of ironic given the recent events with Samsung.
I think the Apple RDF was more a "Steve Jobs" RDF
"Bud, that's crazy!", I told him. "We've hardly even
started yet. There's no way we can get it done by then."
"I know," he responded, in a low voice, almost a whisper.
"You know? If you know the schedule is off-base, why don't
you correct it?"
"Well, it's Steve. Steve insists that we're shipping in early
1982, and won't accept answers to the contrary. The best way to
describe the situation is a term from Star Trek. Steve has a
reality distortion field."
"A what?"
"A reality distortion field. In his presence, reality is
malleable. He can convince anyone of practically anything.
It wears off when he's not around, but it makes it hard to
have realistic schedules. And there's a couple of other
things you should know about working with Steve."
"What else?"
"Well, just because he tells you that something is awful or
great, it doesn't necessarily mean he'll feel that way tomorrow.
You have to low-pass filter his input. And then, he's really
funny about ideas. If you tell him a new idea, he'll usually
tell you that he thinks it's stupid. But then, if he actually
likes it, exactly one week later, he'll come back to you and
propose your idea to you, as if he thought of it."
I thought Bud was surely exaggerating, until I observed Steve
in action over the next few weeks. The reality distortion field
was a confounding melange of a charismatic rhetorical style, an
indomitable will, and an eagerness to bend any fact to fit the
purpose at hand. If one line of argument failed to persuade, he
would deftly switch to another. Sometimes, he would throw you
off balance by suddenly adopting your position as his own,
without acknowledging that he ever thought differently.
Amazingly, the reality distortion field seemed to be effective
even if you were acutely aware of it, although the effects would
fade after Steve departed. We would often discuss potential
techniques for grounding it (see Are You Gonna Do It?), but
after a while most of us gave up, accepting it as a force of
nature.
http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Reality_Distortion_Fi...Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
People probably feel that it is hypocritical to sue one company for copying your designs, and then turn around and copy designs off someone else, especially when they happen right a few months apart. Personally, my moral compass immediately feels that this is worse than just plain copying, and I assume that is why people are reacting with a stronger anti-Apple sentiment here.
This is a digression, but I have trouble with the idea of hypocrisy in general. It's difficult for me to conceive that, morally, espousing wrong beliefs and adhering to them in one's personal life is better than espousing wrong beliefs while at least doing the right thing oneself. (Assuming the people who made these decisions have any interaction with each other:) If intellectual property is well grounded, Apple is r…
1. What they do 2. What they say
And in that order. For politicians and celebrities with a large audience, it's possible that what they say matters more than what they do for the global good. However, the actions an individual takes can wipe out a legacy of saying the right thing.
Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
#190No, no, no you guys don't understand. This is not a cheap rip-off. It's an homage and the Swiss will be honoured that their famous clock has been elevated to the high-art status of Apple design and innovation. The critical eye of an average iPhone user will appreciate the fine craftsmanship & precision of the painstaking work that went into translating the iconic clock into an exact digital replica.
Come on.