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Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

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Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

#181

No, no, no you guys don't understand. This is not a cheap rip-off. It's an homage and the Swiss will be honoured that their famous clock has been elevated to the high-art status of Apple design and innovation. The critical eye of an average iPhone user will appreciate the fine craftsmanship & precision of the painstaking work that went into translating the iconic clock into an exact digital replica.

hahaha, I'm sure every company loves to have a good double-edged sword. Honestly, I think it's different enough, but in the same way I think Samsung products are different enough. Take you pick which way you want it Apple...

Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

#182
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I don't understand the satire here. It sounds like you're mimicking the response to claims that Apple stole designs from Braun? But the two situations are nothing alike -- cribbing industrial design elements from defunct products is a far cry from duplicating a trademarked image more or less exactly. It seems more likely you're trying to dig on Apple for going thermonuclear on trade dress while at the same tim…

I'm not sure the SBB will sue Apple. Their relationship is a little bit more complex than mere two unrelated companies: Some context: The iPhone has a huge penetration rate in Switzerland (2.9 million devices sold for a population of 8 million people). Switzerland also has very good public transportation, held together by the train system of the SBB. And therefore, almost every iPhone user has the SBB Mobile App inst…

Are there any public transport companies that sell tickets as in-app purchases?

Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

#184
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I don't understand the satire here. It sounds like you're mimicking the response to claims that Apple stole designs from Braun? But the two situations are nothing alike -- cribbing industrial design elements from defunct products is a far cry from duplicating a trademarked image more or less exactly. It seems more likely you're trying to dig on Apple for going thermonuclear on trade dress while at the same tim…

People probably feel that it is hypocritical to sue one company for copying your designs, and then turn around and copy designs off someone else, especially when they happen right a few months apart. Personally, my moral compass immediately feels that this is worse than just plain copying, and I assume that is why people are reacting with a stronger anti-Apple sentiment here.

I think it's interesting to note (as the article does), that Apple has attacked other parties for "paying homage" to the looks of the Apple clocks. I personally think these two clocks are different enough, but if I'm the owner of that Swiss trademark, you can bet I'm suing, before Apple comes after me for using their design!

Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

#185
Is the Swiss railway clock a protected trademark at all?

Judging from the Swiss trademark registry, the protection as a trademark ended a few days ago on September 3, 2012:

https://www.swissreg.ch/srclient/de/tm/512830

In addition, the trademark is only protected for class 14 as clocks and its parts but not for other classes and in particular not for software.

Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

#186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Misguided sarcasm. It is indeed a homage. 1) Apple didn't copy the design to make it's own clock rip-off. It is for a very tiny part of their original product. 2) Apple didn't copy the design to sell more iPhones. 3) The design is famous. It's not like Apple sneakily copied it thinking no one will notice. 4) It's a common "click of the eye" gesture to design-savvy public, like their basing their podcast app to classi…

It seems to me that a lot of people on HN are assuming that this design is an intentional rip-off. It's entirely possible that whoever did the icon didn't realize that they had seen a clock like that before and thus didn't realize they might infringe on someone else's trademark.

That's really unlikely. Those clocks are famous, especially among the types of people who would be in charge of designing a clock at Apple.

Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

#188
post #44

Did Apple think they would get away with copying one of the most iconic clock designs ever without anyone noticing? I am speechless. Are cracks starting to show in a post-Jobs Apple too big to fix? I don't want to bash them, but this is blatant and unlicensed copying at its best. Kind of ironic given the recent events with Samsung.

I think the Apple RDF was more a "Steve Jobs" RDF

Actually, that's exactly right, according to Bud Tribble, the person who coined it, inside Apple:

  "Bud, that's crazy!", I told him. "We've hardly even
  started yet. There's no way we can get it done by then."

  "I know," he responded, in a low voice, almost a whisper.

  "You know? If you know the schedule is off-base, why don't
  you correct it?" 

  "Well, it's Steve. Steve insists that we're shipping in early 
  1982, and won't accept answers to the contrary. The best way to 
  describe the situation is a term from Star Trek. Steve has a 
  reality distortion field."

  "A what?"

  "A reality distortion field. In his presence, reality is 
  malleable. He can convince anyone of practically anything.
  It wears off when he's not around, but it makes it hard to
  have realistic schedules. And there's a couple of other
  things you should know about working with Steve."

  "What else?"

  "Well, just because he tells you that something is awful or
  great, it doesn't necessarily mean he'll feel that way tomorrow. 
  You have to low-pass filter his input. And then, he's really
  funny about ideas. If you tell him a new idea, he'll usually
  tell you that he thinks it's stupid. But then, if he actually
  likes it, exactly one week later, he'll come back to you and
  propose your idea to you, as if he thought of it."

  I thought Bud was surely exaggerating, until I observed Steve
  in action over the next few weeks. The reality distortion field
  was a confounding melange of a charismatic rhetorical style, an
  indomitable will, and an eagerness to bend any fact to fit the
  purpose at hand. If one line of argument failed to persuade, he
  would deftly switch to another. Sometimes, he would throw you
  off balance by suddenly adopting your position as his own,
  without acknowledging that he ever thought differently.

  Amazingly, the reality distortion field seemed to be effective 
  even if you were acutely aware of it, although the effects would 
  fade after Steve departed. We would often discuss potential
  techniques for grounding it (see Are You Gonna Do It?), but
  after a while most of us gave up, accepting it as a force of
  nature.
http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Reality_Distortion_Fi...

Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

#189
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People probably feel that it is hypocritical to sue one company for copying your designs, and then turn around and copy designs off someone else, especially when they happen right a few months apart. Personally, my moral compass immediately feels that this is worse than just plain copying, and I assume that is why people are reacting with a stronger anti-Apple sentiment here.

This is a digression, but I have trouble with the idea of hypocrisy in general. It's difficult for me to conceive that, morally, espousing wrong beliefs and adhering to them in one's personal life is better than espousing wrong beliefs while at least doing the right thing oneself. (Assuming the people who made these decisions have any interaction with each other:) If intellectual property is well grounded, Apple is r…

The morality of an individual or organization is determined by:

1. What they do 2. What they say

And in that order. For politicians and celebrities with a large audience, it's possible that what they say matters more than what they do for the global good. However, the actions an individual takes can wipe out a legacy of saying the right thing.

Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design

#190

No, no, no you guys don't understand. This is not a cheap rip-off. It's an homage and the Swiss will be honoured that their famous clock has been elevated to the high-art status of Apple design and innovation. The critical eye of an average iPhone user will appreciate the fine craftsmanship & precision of the painstaking work that went into translating the iconic clock into an exact digital replica.

Intellectual honesty time: Show me one person who said such a thing. Every blogger who's supposedly "in the tank" for Apple that I've seen mention this has said nothing of the sort. It's an obvious rip-off, more obvious even than the recent rip-offs of Apple products that have been the subject of so much discussion. That was all about calling a spade a spade, not about defending Apple from its competitors. And this is definitely a spade, anyone with functioning eyeballs can agree. Which is why nobody has had the gall to trot out the horseshit you're implying.

Come on.

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