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Re: Become unbannable from your email

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post #176

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Same here. I have a .dev tld (Ooh ahh very fancy). My email is [first]@[last].dev . The amount of times they go "@ gmail?" Is astonishing. These are people who all day, countless times per day, for countless years, are collecting emails (front desk clerks, support reps, whatever), and not one email in the history of emails is the format blah@blah.blah@gmail.com, but somehow they think mine is. Should've just stuck wi…

Mine is me@[fullname].[tld] and I still kind of regret it because no one expects such a short set of characters before the @ sign. Even many websites don't. It's never been rejected but rather it breaks basic personal details masking. Because they often mask an email address replacing all but the first and last characters of the username portion with asterisks and leaving the domain fully exposed... Not to mention th…

Hmmm I've had websites not accept mine but I'm still not sure why. Maybe it's the .dev . Cheapo regex

Re: Become unbannable from your email

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That’s pretty funny. If you use a password manager you could obviously just put something random instead of the company name.

Or just rot13 or some scheme like that.

KISS, just add dot somewhere.

Re: Become unbannable from your email

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Counterpoint: I lost a domain when a registrar went out of business, and another when a registrar bumped the price 10x and refused to give me authenticode unless I physically show up to their office. Sure, I cheapened out and used shady cheap registrars, and this all happened a while ago so things are probably more regulated now, but for comparison I never permanently lost access to hosted email. (Losing access tempo…

Cloudflare aren’t a bad registrar (imo) - they sell and renew domains at wholesale cost, forward emails, can do website landing pages with a Worker (etc). Understand the product in depth and would seem like a reasonably safe bet. (Not shilling for them, just personal experience).

Re: Become unbannable from your email

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post #145

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That’s pretty funny. If you use a password manager you could obviously just put something random instead of the company name.

No try giving that email at the store.

I meant the password manager would just be to help you keep track of the names. The names themselves don't have to be long (e.g. `s11@mydomain.com`).

Re: Become unbannable from your email

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Counterpoint: I lost a domain when a registrar went out of business, and another when a registrar bumped the price 10x and refused to give me authenticode unless I physically show up to their office. Sure, I cheapened out and used shady cheap registrars, and this all happened a while ago so things are probably more regulated now, but for comparison I never permanently lost access to hosted email. (Losing access tempo…

A lot of s&p's use Markmonitor (brokies need not apply)

Re: Become unbannable from your email

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I suppose I should have preemptively made that argument and then argued against it. My point is that there should be a mechanism to extract key material in an encrypted form. The backup could only be restored onto properly-prepared hardware (either by way of a device master key held under escrow by Yubico, or by an initial "seed" set by the user when commissioning the hardware). Setting up multiple keys at the same t…

This adds complexity and the added questions of how much you really trust vendors to handle it correctly. After setting them up, I store one or more at various other locations. The core services people use them for rarely change, and adoption outside of those important services is slow. Even if you only kept one at home and one on your person at all times, this might mean a key would survive something like a house fi…

> The core services people use them for rarely change, and adoption outside of those important services is slow.

That's the opposite of what would be good for general security, though. I want people using these devices for as many services as possible. Heck, I even enjoy the FIDO workflow when I've used it in corporate settings (where I have a recovery method that doesn't involve begging a FAANG company to please, please, please give me back access to my stuff). I would love to use it for personal stuff instead of mucking with a password vault, TOTP, etc.

I guess the argument could be made for using these devices only w/ your "digital feudal lord" of choice (Google, Microsoft, Facebook, etc) with the expectation that all other services you use would federate authentication with those various fiefdoms. I don't see that happening with banks, for example. (Banks would be a great example of a place where I'd want to see token-based authentication adopted. I am so goddamned tired of SMS "authentication" being used w/ to arbitrate access to my money.)

I also find the idea of companies federating their authentication with the big digital feudal lords, to the exclusion of local authentication, repugnant.

My problem w/ tokens as they are now comes down to the "you must have both tokens in the same place to enroll new accounts" workflow being bogus. It creates make-work for people. Any technological "solution" that creates make-work for people is wrong, full stop. For me this workflow would discourage using the token in favor of technologies I can back-up (like passwords and TOTP seeds). For "normies" people are just going to lose their tokens and be in account recovery hell.

Here's my pitch for how I think it could work:

Token vendor sells a very simple embedded device to "brand" tokens. The device has no communication capability beyond a display and a USB port to connect tokens. This "branding iron" is enrolled w/ a vendor-signed certificate at the factory. The tokens are probably already enrolled w/ a vendor-signed certificate at the factory. This establishes a root of trust for the tokens and the "branding iron". I don't have to trust the vendor for anything more than a hardware root of trust.

The end user would use the "branding iron" to create a master key and enroll it onto their tokens. The ergonomics are very important but, functionally, it's just spinning a suitably large random key, showing it to the user so they can make an offline copy, and loading that key onto tokens. There are a ton of ergonomic decisions to A/B test (does it have a PIN pad, does it use a Bitcoin wallet-style key phrase presentation method, etc), but the functional purpose is simple.

The user would plug their tokens into the "branding iron", which would wipe them clean and, using the root-of-trust shared between the devices, load the master key into all the tokens.

This makes encrypted backups portable between tokens. The backups could be stored anywhere. (I like the idea, since a lot of tokens are HID keyboards, of just having the token "type" the backup into an email or a text file.)

Re: Become unbannable from your email

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post #37

Been doing this for years, and surprised he didn't seem to mention the other benefit: "infinity" email addresses. Oh, rando burger spot wants an email for some free fries? Great, hit me up at randoburgerspot@"mydomain".com .

I don't even have to bother with creating a 'real' alias address. When I make an account I can punch in any random address @mydomain and it shows up in my primary inbox in a special folder. It's so much more convenient

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Re: Become unbannable from your email

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When I see suggestions to "own" your email domain, how do you manage the chicken-egg problem of needing an email address in the first place to register the domain you want to lease?

Are there registrars that let you walk in with a physical ID to proof you are you in case your email gets compromised and they get access to the registrar? Any experience with that?

Re: Become unbannable from your email

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post #4

Counterpoint: I lost a domain when a registrar went out of business, and another when a registrar bumped the price 10x and refused to give me authenticode unless I physically show up to their office. Sure, I cheapened out and used shady cheap registrars, and this all happened a while ago so things are probably more regulated now, but for comparison I never permanently lost access to hosted email. (Losing access tempo…

Cloudflare aren’t a bad registrar (imo) - they sell and renew domains at wholesale cost, forward emails, can do website landing pages with a Worker (etc). Understand the product in depth and would seem like a reasonably safe bet. (Not shilling for them, just personal experience).

Cloudflare does not allow you to use other nameservers. That makes them a bad registrar since they forbid using a different service for a unrelated thing.

Re: Become unbannable from your email

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post #166

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I've occasionally pondered some sort of phone app that that can dynamically create a random new forwarding email, and keep track of what purpose it was for and who you shared it with.

Firefox/Mozilla and Apple both offer services along these lines.

I was thinking of something that would work with a personal domain, with a mail server that I (indirectly) control.

It would maintain a small pool of immediately-available addresses, since there might be latency in setting up a new one. When I need it, one is removed from the pool, recorded with metadata (e.g. purpose, duration, who to blame if it gets spammed), and in the background the process is started to restock the pool.

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