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Offline card payments should be possible no later than 1 July 2026

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Re: Offline card payments should be possible no later than 1 July 2026

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Are there people that like cheques? They are no longer a thing in New Zealand. It seems like something no-one would miss.

Are there people that like cheques? For no good reason, I keep a list of why I use checks (in the U.S.): - Charitable donations because charities maximize every penny, and electronic contributions eat into that - Paying the accountant - Good accountants make every penny count, and aren't interested in paying credit card overhead. - Tipping the paperboy at Christmas - Tipping the doorman at Christmas - Business licens…

My list is similar except I'm using ACH for about 50% of your list.

Re: Offline card payments should be possible no later than 1 July 2026

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You have to differentiate common purchases from "large" purchases in this discussion. I'm certain you don't think there's something shady going on, or tax evasion happening, if someone uses cash in the grocery store or at Pressbyrån, or to pay for some little gadget or whatever at Kjell&Co. This is what people think of when someone "uses cash". Not hauling tens of thousands to buy a used car or to settle the bill for…

FWIW I am Australian and we have a similar adoption rate of cashless payments. If a merchant tries to promote cash options I immediately think they’re doing it for tax evasion reasons - not because of the touted reason that “card payments cost more to process” (they don’t once you factor in the cost of handling cash).

I think the same thing in the US about small businesses that only take cash, but it's still pretty normal to use cash in the US.

Re: Offline card payments should be possible no later than 1 July 2026

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Natives asking why someone has cash, and not even recognizing bank notes...? It sounds so absurd that I'm certain you're exaggerating wildly. If not, you've had an outlier experience during a limited window of time in the country. Just like the parent. This isn't really representative. Add.: another poster suggested that someone had a bit of a laugh with you by saying it, which is also entirely possible. Basic joke.

I'm in the UK and I have friends who will tell you hand on heart that they have never handled a £50 note. They know they exist but they haven't had one.

Is that just because it's an unpopular bill? Most Americans have probably never used a $50 bill either.

Re: Offline card payments should be possible no later than 1 July 2026

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> those work because they're just a normal visa transaction I wouldn’t be so sure about that. In some payment situations you’re asked whether you’d like to have the transaction go through as debit or as credit—so those two must be different somewhere. And probably in more than just a bit in a packet, as, for example, paying with debit Visas or MasterCards (normal ones, not Electron resp. Maestro) in the Netherlands (…

They use largely the same rails/network (for example Mastercard). The only meaningful difference is on how and when funds are reconciled. Some payment providers ask up front to simplify the flows as it's not totally trivial to determine what sort of card it is, and also because different fees apply - historically some merchants added specific fees to basket etc. (less so nowadays but the UI convention sticks)

> Some payment providers ask up front to simplify the flows as it's not totally trivial to determine what sort of card it is

And because the same card can be both. At least here in Brazil, most bank cards have multiple uses (credit, debit, ATM) in the same card. AFAIK, they're separate applications within the same chip, and the terminal has to select which one to use before starting.

Re: Offline card payments should be possible no later than 1 July 2026

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post #183

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I'm in the UK and I have friends who will tell you hand on heart that they have never handled a £50 note. They know they exist but they haven't had one.

Is that just because it's an unpopular bill? Most Americans have probably never used a $50 bill either.

Not once in their entire lives?

Re: Offline card payments should be possible no later than 1 July 2026

#186

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Are there people that like cheques? For no good reason, I keep a list of why I use checks (in the U.S.): - Charitable donations because charities maximize every penny, and electronic contributions eat into that - Paying the accountant - Good accountants make every penny count, and aren't interested in paying credit card overhead. - Tipping the paperboy at Christmas - Tipping the doorman at Christmas - Business licens…

Not really your point, but this sounds crazy. > My company requires me to send it a check for the amount I receive from the government for jury duty That just sounds like something that shouldn't be allowed. I don't know the rules.

The state made me forego the (grand - for a month) jury duty pay due to being on salary. However, I still got compensated for daily public transport to the courthouse - which wasn't taxable.

Re: Offline card payments should be possible no later than 1 July 2026

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Some context might be useful here. I spent some time living Sweden not too long ago and Swedes practically don't use cash. It's usually not said out loud, but cash is often considered to be dirty and criminal, to the point that most don't have any at all. Digital payments are very convenient and deeply integrated, so long as you have a local ID which allows you use the local payment system Swish etc. This worked nice…

How do you pay for things that are just one or two euros? In my local boulangerie they don't accept cards for less than 5€, so if I just want a baguette I need to have cash.

I assume there's no minimum there (as I haven't encountered such a requirement in Hungary for some time, nor in Spain)

Re: Offline card payments should be possible no later than 1 July 2026

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post #182

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FWIW I am Australian and we have a similar adoption rate of cashless payments. If a merchant tries to promote cash options I immediately think they’re doing it for tax evasion reasons - not because of the touted reason that “card payments cost more to process” (they don’t once you factor in the cost of handling cash).

I think the same thing in the US about small businesses that only take cash, but it's still pretty normal to use cash in the US.

And lets hope that never changes

Re: Offline card payments should be possible no later than 1 July 2026

#189
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Sweden has introduced civil asset forfeiture where the mere possession of cash can make you a suspect [1]. It's coming from the very top. https://archive.ph/v7TRe

I fully understand why the Swedish government wants to get rid of cash. What I'm saying is that the people simply don't feel that cash is in any way dirty.

Its a way to control the population if you control the transactions. It amazed me that people don't understand what they give up by not using cash.

Cash is the ultimate privacy payment.

Re: Offline card payments should be possible no later than 1 July 2026

#190
I'm not sure what they have in mind for supporting offline payments, but I think that Japan's FeliCa-based [1] electronic money systems (Suica, iD, etc) are pretty impressive. They are most typically used to pay for transportation, but also widely accepted at stores, vending machines, etc. Balances are stored on the card, and it's very fast to use and seems secure for the most part. Recently it's also available on any smartphone or smartwatch with NFC. Japan was pretty slow to adopt touch payment for credit cards, so for a while it was my favorite form of payment.

Transit cards have a pretty low charge limit compared to credit cards - Suica balance is limited to ¥20,000 for example (although for cards that are backed by a credit card, I think the limit is higher). And now that Japan has fully embraced credit card touch payments, FeliCa-based systems are losing market share to Visa, Mastercard, etc.

But it really shines for applications requiring speed (i.e. a turnstile in Tokyo station) or offline payments (a vending machine in a park somewhere).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FeliCa

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