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Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by WickyNilliams »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #47
koolba wrote: post #39

I encourage people making snap comments to read at least one entire paragraph of the article: > “We’re going to have supervision,” Ellison said. “Every police officer is going to be supervised at all times, and if there’s a problem, AI will report that problem and report it to the appropriate person. Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that’s going on.”…

> People do act differently when they know they are being watched I really want to see more evidence for this. People act differently when they face consequences. More surveillance without enforcement wouldn’t be expected to positively change behaviour.

It has a name: chilling effect https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilling_effect

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by bigyabai »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #40
bhouston wrote: post #28

Larry Ellison is ultra-pro Israel if you didn't know. He and others are pushing for Bari Weiss take a key role at CBS to better "defend Israel": https://nypost.com/2025/09/19/media/shari-redstone-says-bari... And many people are worried about a similar type of agenda setting at TikTok now: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/will-tiktoks-new-own... Netanyahu, for his part, believes it is super consequential for E…

That’s a study shoehorn… Would his statements be better if he were pro-Gaza or something else?

Yeah. His property would be better without Lanai in them, his businesses would be better without him at the helm, and his opinions would indeed be better if he wasn't rationalizing a genocide.

Larry Ellison cannot be anthropomorphized. His entire life is one sociopathic, misanthropic soap opera.

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Post by bigyabai »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #133
amval wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think I understand your point, beyond downplaying the severity of current events.

I’m not downplaying the severity of anything. Just its relevance. Someone can be severe and irrelevant, and I think that’s the case here.

Your language suggests a sort of "explaining away" that is pernicious in certain cultures abroad.

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Post by dylan604 »

andsoitis wrote: post #114
jodrellblank wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GP's claim is that UK is massively surveilled and the UK is unsafe, therefore surveillance does not improve safety. However the UK is a long way above the USA; if one wants to argue that the surveillance isn't the cause of the safety, they can, but they can't take that for granted by snarkily saying the UK isn't safe. If I was trying to say that the UK is safe because it's #30 on the Peace Index when the USA was high…

> GP's claim is that UK is massively surveilled and the UK is unsafe, therefore surveillance does not improve safety. So do you think Ellison is right? That surveillance would make the US much safer?

No. Cameras will only help potentially identify someone after the fact. At some point we may find ourselves in a Black Mirror dystopia where AI is used to precog individuals to determine someone is going to commit a crime where video surveillance helps locate this person before the crime is committed. However, since no crime has been committed, there's no reason to detain them. Unless, you just really want to commit to that dystopian nightmare of allowing AI to make those decisions.

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Post by IAmGraydon »

NickC25 wrote: post #169

We should tax opinions like this right out of existence. This dude has almost half a trillion dollars to his name. Larry, instead of waxing lyrical about your desire for a police state, how about you bugger off to a private island and establish your own society there, and leave the rest of the world for people who don't clamor for more money after making hundreds of billions of dollars. Some people just aren't satisf…

You can get $10 million or even $100 million because you love business and love making money. When you start to approach levels north of $1 billion, you don't get there unless you just love something more than money. That amount of money is unnecessary for any person to materially better their own or their family's lives. You only get there if you love power. This is why so many billionaires seem to be turning into psychopaths - they were already power addicts and they just get to levels of wealth that enables them to express it fully. They never wanted islands and jets. They want complete control.

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by IAmGraydon »

No doubt Ellison is a weirdo with some weird aspirations, but consider that this story came out last year and is being posted again everywhere since the TikTok deal is drawing near. Someone is going to a lot of trouble to try to convince us all of something.

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Post by thaw13579 »

chuckadams wrote: post #6

Ok Larry, where's the minute-by-minute footage of your private life?

Lately people with high a level of wealth and power like Ellison view themselves as a privileged class and have no pretense that their machinations should apply equally to all. The erosion of that norm, equality of all under the law, is the elephant in the room. If we can preserve that norm, points like yours easily undermine these arguments.

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Post by yepguy »

jpster wrote: post #135
FarMcKon wrote: post #73

This is the fascist dream. Who defines 'Best Behavior?' Whoever owns the cameras, and the cops. Criticize the president? Not best behavior. Kiss someone of your sex/gender? Not best behavior. Call AI stupid? Not best behavior. Whistleblower on out a deadly chemical leak? Not best behavior. Disagree with a politician? Not best behavior. Defined LGBTQ+ people's rights? Not best behavior. Criticize Isreal ? Not best beh…

> They are going to define "best behavior" in a way that never threatens their feelings, let alone threatens their powers, if you let them. You are painfully correct https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/trumps-nspm-7-labels-commo...

Looking at that list of extremist indicators, I would agree that they qualify as common beliefs. It's hard to be too outraged though, because they also seem to genuinely reflect destructive beliefs that are absolutely antithetical to American society.
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