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Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

#181

I would actually use an email service from Cloudflare. That literally means I don't have to rely on anything else to host my apps. Currently I use email forwarding to send emails to a different email address from my custom domain. This would help a lot

How is that a good thing? Are we, as a society, forgetting the value of diversification, or just ignoring it because convenience is good? Do you really want to be just one wrongful ban away from being completely offline?

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

#182
post #5

Great move. Will probably switch to it immediately from Sendgrid as soon as it goes GA. Sendgrid recently killed their free tier (100 emails per day) and their lowest plan is now $20/month for 50,000 emails. It's totally overkill for low traffic projects.

smtp2go will let you have 200 a day or 1000 a month for free.

Switched to this from Sendgrid for my low email volume apps.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

#183
post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CDNs always existed IMHO. The world before cloudflare was just much more hidden. In general I find their take at the typical cloud business from a network perspective mostly refreshing. However, I guess they have become the major player now and certainly try to optimize the world towards their business model. IMHO it needs other enterprises entering the competition. Maybe it could be new more software defined mobile…

> However, I guess they have become the major player now and certainly try to optimize the world towards their business model. I don't think that's it, and I think the explanation is much more simple and straight-forward. Cloudflare established a very successful business model around a straight-forward, very transparent, no-bullshit CDN. Now, they started offering other cloud services build around their CDN. Cloudfla…

Cloudflare is far from a no bullshit CDN. The vendor lock in is real with an aggressive unethcial sales model.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

#184
post #4

Eventually all Internet protocols will be MITMed by cloudflare. Your single point of interception!

To be honest, the internet was worse without Cloudflare, so as long as they provide a good service for their customers, I’m fine with it. This is one of those. Google is in a perfect position to compete but they don’t, so it’s not like Cloudflare is a monopoly or something. At least they’re not selling ads using your data.

> At least they’re not selling ads using your data

Sounds great, until a new CEO steps in. Any company is exactly one (or more often zero) CEO away from doing whatever they want (within legal constraints) with their business, in order to fulfill their fiduciary duty (and greed).

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

#185

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I run my own email server and you couldn't pay me to use a commercial provider like Google instead. The privacy benefits are huge and there is no one to restrict my storage or change my "terms and conditions" overnight. The days of people running their own servers are gone because of the shortsightedness and laziness of IT managers. They though the "cloud" would be easier and cheaper, and they are now trapped.

You don't have deliverability issues? I entertained the idea of running my own mail servers for a while. After researching the topic it turned out that the internet now runs on an IP reputation system. Major email services like gmail assume that anything sent from unknown IPs is malicious. So it looks like we've gotta be well connected to federate with the other email servers now. A nobody like me can't just start up…

Deliver via sendgrid*, receive directly is probably the only viable path for self hosted systems.

Where sendgrid=any major player, could be Mimecast, proofpoint or anyone else who will forward outgoing email.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

#186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, the internet was worse without Cloudflare, so as long as they provide a good service for their customers, I’m fine with it. This is one of those. Google is in a perfect position to compete but they don’t, so it’s not like Cloudflare is a monopoly or something. At least they’re not selling ads using your data.

The internet is worse for me with Cloudflare. I'm using a cellphone router for my internet. My guess is I don't get a dedicated IP and probably behind a NAT with other users. 85% of my request needs me to solve a cloudflare captcha. on bad days I have to do this easily 100+ times.

But what's the counterfactual? People use cloudflare because they want protection from ddos attacks and bots. If cloudflare didn't exist there would probably be similar measures.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

#187

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Shipping times are definitely better off industry wide because of Amazon.

Same day shipping was always the norm here. Order something before 14:00 - 16:00, depending on where the company was on the route for package pickups, and you'd have your package the next day. Amazon has normalized multi-day / weeks shipping, so they've made it worse.

Where is this?

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

#188
post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CDNs always existed IMHO. The world before cloudflare was just much more hidden. In general I find their take at the typical cloud business from a network perspective mostly refreshing. However, I guess they have become the major player now and certainly try to optimize the world towards their business model. IMHO it needs other enterprises entering the competition. Maybe it could be new more software defined mobile…

> However, I guess they have become the major player now and certainly try to optimize the world towards their business model. I don't think that's it, and I think the explanation is much more simple and straight-forward. Cloudflare established a very successful business model around a straight-forward, very transparent, no-bullshit CDN. Now, they started offering other cloud services build around their CDN. Cloudfla…

Much of their model and success was by giving away a lot of service for free.

I'm not discounting their innovations but had they not been VC funded and given away free service I suspect many would still never have heard of them.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

#189
post #26

It's unfortunate that email hosting and email infrastructure can really be done only well by major players. The days of people running and maintaining their own are pretty much long gone. Fwiw, not a knock against CF. I like their products, mostly simple, fair pricing, etc. Just a bit unfortunate commentary on the state of email infra on the internet.

There is a sweet spot between Gmail and self-hosting. I use Runbox and generally separate contexts, with CF being an exception as I use CF pages for static blog websites, some of their core services, AND as a registrar. For the latter, the default setting is porkbun. The reason for this is not CF's mandatory in-house DNS servers, but the simple fact that they do not register .de domains.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

#190
post #178

What are people's experiences using their current Email Routing service? Mine wasn't great -- right after I set it up I could not get a single test email through to my recipient account despite multiple attempts. No delivery failure emails or any responses at all. Nothing on their dashboards either. Searching their community threads turned up several other folks who had encountered similar silent failures that were n…

I use it with a couple of addresses. No issues so far.
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