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Re: Helium Browser

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Mozilla is fine taking money from Google, because it keeps "competition" alive otherwise Google would face antitrust lawsuits for running a monopoly.

Isn’t Safari 30% of browser share in the US?

Only due to iOS, which isn't necessarily enough to stave off monopoly complaints across other platforms

Re: Helium Browser

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post #123

Can someone explain to me why most browser forks are based on Chromium? If the goal is to make a privacy focused browser which is independent of Google, isn't it then a bit counterproductive to put all your eggs in a basket which only exists due to the goodwill of your main competitor? Why not webkit or Gecko? There might be a good argument for it, but as a person concerned with privacy and the future freedom of the…

Couple main reasons: 1) BSD license vs a CopyLeft license. Edge, Opera etc don't want to push their changes back up. 2) Compatibility and performance is why Brave switched from Gecko to Chromium. 75% of the marketshare is chromium based browsers so sites will more than likely work with chromium browsers. I don't why webkit is more popular. Maybe because it(Apple) is slow to adopt standards.

> Maybe because it(Apple) is slow to adopt standards

I think this is an interesting bit of propaganda - they are historically not all that slow to adopt actual standards.

What they often are is unwilling to adopt Google's pre-standardisation extensions (things like WebUSB, which have never been adopted as standards).

Re: Helium Browser

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post #112

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Even in 2025 you still get the most compatibility with [insert-website-here] with Chromium

Sure but I only use Firefox (no other browser installed (except Edge on Windows)) and I don’t have any issues; so some none-trivial portion of the web doesn’t require Chrom(ium) specific behaviour.

Google websites intentionally degrade performance if you browse from Firefox. Facebook Messenger's E2E only works on chromium browsers. There are many websites that show popups to use chromium for the best experience. I do get it, these aren't privacy-friendly websites, but for professional purposes, lot of people are forced to use chromium browsers or user-agent strings.

Re: Helium Browser

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> Helium is based on Chromium > Best privacy by default Sorry, pass... Even with un-googled Chromium I do not think these statements are self-consistent. We need browsers that do not allow Google to control the ecosystem. We need legitimate competition. So what, our choices are Firefox (Gecko), Safari (WebKit), and Ladybird? Personally I go with Firefox on most devices and Orion (WebKit) on my iPhone and iPad. > Heli…

Yeah, everyone is doing their little contribution to help Google take over the Web and turn it into ChromeOS Platform. Why did we ever bothered with the IE lawsuit, for a newer generation to give the Web on a plate to Google?

Because at the time IE6 was a terrible browser with poor standards support, while Chrome is an excellent browser with leading standards support. It is a gilded cage.

Re: Helium Browser

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post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couple main reasons: 1) BSD license vs a CopyLeft license. Edge, Opera etc don't want to push their changes back up. 2) Compatibility and performance is why Brave switched from Gecko to Chromium. 75% of the marketshare is chromium based browsers so sites will more than likely work with chromium browsers. I don't why webkit is more popular. Maybe because it(Apple) is slow to adopt standards.

> Maybe because it(Apple) is slow to adopt standards I think this is an interesting bit of propaganda - they are historically not all that slow to adopt actual standards. What they often are is unwilling to adopt Google's pre-standardisation extensions (things like WebUSB, which have never been adopted as standards).

WebGPL, WebRTC, Gamepad API, WebASM etc Years behind Gecko and Chromium. Don't get me started on codec support with Safari. Webkit is the new IE.

Re: Helium Browser

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I learned about this project from Theo (T3 guy), and his approval of it, make of that what you will. Not 100% related but I found it funny that on that specific video, in which he spends the best part of 40 minutes talking about how the only browsers that are worth talking about are ones which "improve" your browsing experience beyond Chrome, which is the de facto "decent" browser. He mentions Zen and Vivaldi as exam…

a) He has a “I use the web in a very niche way that nobody cares about an your browser sucks if it doesn’t meet those exact needs” way of thinking

b) He is an investor in helium

Re: Helium Browser

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What makes me a bit uneasy about the project is that the website doesn't explain who is building it. For most open-source, I think that would be fine. But browsers auto-update, so their vendors essentially have the continued ability to run code on your machine. You want some confidence that they won't get owned and won't sell the access to bad actors down the line, so there is an element of personal trust. All the we…

My thoughts exactly. I read on their website that they're a two person team who care about privacy. But how do they finance their work on these tools? Are they still figuring it out? Do they have a sustainable business model?

Re: Helium Browser

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> Helium is based on Chromium > Best privacy by default Sorry, pass... Even with un-googled Chromium I do not think these statements are self-consistent. We need browsers that do not allow Google to control the ecosystem. We need legitimate competition. So what, our choices are Firefox (Gecko), Safari (WebKit), and Ladybird? Personally I go with Firefox on most devices and Orion (WebKit) on my iPhone and iPad. > Heli…

> So what, our choices are Firefox (Gecko), Don't forget Servo. People are actively working on it, and it could use more help.

Hopefully the Ladybird browser will become a viable choice soon

Re: Helium Browser

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post #189

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> So what, our choices are Firefox (Gecko), Don't forget Servo. People are actively working on it, and it could use more help.

Hopefully the Ladybird browser will become a viable choice soon

I think we're many years off it even being viable for most people
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