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Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by kakacik »

Gud wrote: post #158
u8080 wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But i.e. 3x Belgium GDP. Anyway, how's GDP is even relevant here?

I am saying it is ridiculous to say that Russia can pay trillions of dollars in bribes.

Trillions is a ridiculous claim. Billions $ easily, budgets of GRU and FSB during last 11 years of war against the west have ballooned.

The situation is, people don't need billion dollar bribes. In my backwardish central european country they caught one government official who was physically handing over state secret material to a russian spy, straight from their embassy, for 500 euros a pop. There is a a video record with good audio from that, the conversation is really absurd yet real. You just need to find one gambling or alcohol addict, or some other failures and press few buttons.

Also, for russia undermining literally whole western world is mission with priority #1 for last 20 years. Eastern european countries who intimately know how bad russian terror actually is were warning about this repeatedly whole western world, to be very effectively ignored and laughed at by western leaders till SHTF.

Sure, those were not plans for F-35 or new aircraft carrier but people take surprisingly little to get corrupted, some even do it for free for ideological purposes.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by Jackson__ »

IlikeMadison wrote: post #22

>Now Paris “on the whole” agrees with the draft. France welcomes both mandatory chat control and client-side scanning. A few months ago, a broad security law was passed by the National Assembly in France. Initially, this law contained provisions, including the scanning of private messages, which were removed from the main text by a large majority of lawmakers, as it was deemed too intrusive. The few officials (includ…

Trying to enact such complete and utter surveillance, as the whole country slowly slides into right-wing populism is an idea that is so utterly ridiculous I struggle to find the right words.

It is beyond stupid, beyond malicious. The closest I might come to describing this would be 'suicidal'.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by burnerzzzzz »

lol, all the americans on this site giving their take our how our politics work or what motivates our politicians is always entertaining…

Guys, our Justice Minister is not trying to spy on citizens. He is not some cartoon villain.. He is just incompetent. He doesn’t understand the technical arguments. He wants to curb the distribution of child abuse material (who wouldn’t) and does not understand that you can’t make backdoors for the police only

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/viden/teknologi/analyse-derfor-hol...

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Post by 1oooqooq »

boltzmann-brain wrote: post #133
timschmidt wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think most people, if pressed, would share your evaluation. However, even though surveillance is always marketed and sold as a tool for law enforcement, I think the people proposing such bills are aware that it's primary use is for political control, power, and espionage. Safety is the bait in the bait and switch. So the measure is not whether or not surveillance actually works for making people safer. But whether…

While it's easy to start believing this is the only motive, the truth of the matter is that a lot of stupid people do crime. So even if you only catch the stupid criminals, you still catch a bunch of criminals. And I mean _stupid_. You wouldn't believe how intensely stupid some of those people are, but read some court records and you will come away deeply surprised we are making it as a species. But yes, there is no…

you don't need surveillance. there's one stupid fellon publishing in the open about persecuting political opposition and nothing happened. what reading their private communication gain?

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Post by hearsathought »

Gud wrote: post #137
boltzmann-brain wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's a good idea for the ones pushing this because that is the intended state . Don't forget, Russia has trillions of dollars for bribes.

Russias GDP is on par with South Korea’s. Hate to be that guy, but source?

> Russias GDP is on par with South Korea’s.

Doesn't that show you what a silly measure GDP (nominal ) is? Do you think south korea could carry out a multi-year war against US/NATO under international sanctions? South korea would collapse immediately under international sanctions. South korea wouldn't be able to feed its own population let alone fund a war under international sanctions. Also using GDP( PPP ), russia's economy is 2X+ larger than south korea.

> Hate to be that guy, but source?

There obviously isn't any. Nobody has trillions for bribes. Trillions is war money, not bribe money.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by criticalfault »

Gud wrote: post #160
criticalfault wrote: post #145

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I think this is naive thinking. Do that and you will be ass raped by stronger powers in record time... if we don't start a war in eu amongst ourselves. The eu was established as an economic union trying to prevent war in Europe and it has been very successful in that. Going the other way would probably cause havoc. Look at Hungary and Slovakia even with war on our doorstep. I am of the opinion that the EU needs to fe…

Meanwhile the most prosperous nations in Europe are not part of the EU. It is good you are asking how to avoid the EU turning into a totalitarian state, which is the way it is currently heading. I don’t think it’s possible.

Poland is an example of rising economy in EU

I read somewhere that Italy is recovering and reducing its debt... But didn't really follow up on that.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by mk89 »

ceving wrote: post #175
puppycodes wrote: post #39

I didn't think Denmark was a pseudo-democracy but you learn new things every day.

The problem is not Denmark. It is the lack of democracy in the EU itself. The European Commission has no democratic legitimacy.

And if you say that, you're far right wing lately.

That's what we have become.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by epolanski »

munksbeer wrote: post #185
epolanski wrote: post #81

Ursula von Der Leyen will go down history as the worse EU representative ever.

She isn't mentioned in the article at all. What is the context for your statement here?

She is one of the politicians who's met Palantir and Thorn more.

Also, how she bent for the 15% tariff to US while we apply none was another disgusting moment of selling out EU.

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