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Post by nickysielicki »

lapcat wrote: post #106
nickysielicki wrote: post #101

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So what? I should hate them for that? Cloudflare is really good at what it does. Nobody has to use cloudflare, but people who know what they’re doing choose cloudflare because the service they provide is worth the minuscule price they charge and it solves the massive abuse and performance problems that otherwise plague the internet. Bing/msn.com failed to displace Google because Google was simply better, not because…

> So what? I should hate them for that? Where did I mention hate? I don't care what emotions you feel or don't feel. The problem is the concentration of power in one company. That has nothing to do with emotion. > Bing/msn.com failed to displace Google because Google was simply better, not because Google played dirty. I don't think the courts agree with you about Google playing dirty. In any case, monopolies are inhe…

> Where did I mention hate?

Substitute whatever adjective you want. You're spreading FUD about the cloudflare boogeyman while ignoring the fact that they have well funded competitors and have no technical mechanism whereby they could lock anyone into their so-called reverse proxy monopoly.

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Post by hattmall »

So why can't websites, do like any other "store". They can make you agree to pay for something but not enforce payment. Like couldn't I say, here's my article. If you read it you agree to pay me $1. Now a lot of people might read it and it might not be worth my time to go and collect $1 from each of them, just like Walmart isn't going to tackle you about eating a grape in the produce aisle. But if you want to make a business that's about exploiting Walmart's non-enforcement of free grapes then they are going to stop you.

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Post by swed420 »

nicce wrote: post #179
swed420 wrote: post #114

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In some positive news today, Cloudflare is sponsoring the Ladybird browser effort: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45332860 That's not nothing.

Likely related on getting influece in order to enforce the gatekeeping standards, unfortunately.

Even if you end up being right, which is not outside of the realm of possibility, it's still huge to get a boost on breaking the browser duopoly while ironing out longstanding issues with web standards.

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Post by carlosjobim »

dakiol wrote: post #131

As an user of the internet, I wish cloudflare didn’t exist. They are in most sites I visit, they add a couple of seconds of delay always. They can shut down entire ranges of ips if the government says so (no matter if some sites hosted in such ranges are legitimate). It sucks big time to live in an internet with cloudflare

Every website which gets a little bit of traffic or reputation will be hit with massive DDoS attacks. Your option as a webmaster is to use something like Cloudflare, or your content will become unavailable to everyone.

You can block all websites using Cloudflare if you think it sucks.

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

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Post by carlosjobim »

fogzen wrote: post #81

Why would humans fill the gaps, and not AI? The current media platforms algorithmically curate content. I suspect the logical conclusion of that is to use AI to generate content on-demand, perfectly tailored to what the user is most likely to find engaging.

An AI is stuck inside a chip, it cannot go out in the real world and get information. It has to get it from humans.

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Post by txrx0000 »

bix6 wrote: post #26
grahameb wrote: post #3

I hope that the next big shift will be to undo the asymmetry that crept into the internet quickly after it first became popular. Let us host stuff at home. Let us run odd and strange and great systems wherever we are. Undo the cloud, undo the capture of the net – I'm old enough to remember when we just had a bunch of boxen under a desk somewhere, and it was pretty great.

> Let us host stuff at home. We can dream. ISP says NO!

Don't just dream. We can choose to use the ISP that says "yes", or at least a less firm "no". We can vote with our wallets to create a market opening for the ISP that says "yes".

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Post by pixxel »

rickydroll wrote: post #116
nickysielicki wrote: post #74

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> Not mentioned: there would be a single gatekeeper for the internet, Cloudflare. Nothing in their idea challenges the underlying tech behind the internet. Anyone is free to compete in constructing a reverse proxy service with LLM-centric content controls similar to cloudflare, whether that’s AWS WAF or akamai or some new startup.

It could be interesting to build a small startup that identifies hate speech on Twitter, Threads, Blue Sky, and other platforms. I envision a UI that displays the message and, in a sidebar, lists what aspects of the message classify it as hate speech. Then, like a spam filter, you could decide to block the message. https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=1084806... https://arxiv.org/abs/2405.01577 https:…

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Post by ndriscoll »

criddell wrote: post #163
velcrovan wrote: post #25

Everyone seems to be dismissing this without reading it. As a content publisher, I am very interested in any proposal that results in me getting residual payments from AI scrapers. That would indeed be a new internet business model. This is also being attempted by RSL with their “Crawler Authentication Protocol” ( https://rslstandard.org/guide/web-crawlers ) for demanding proof of licensing from scrapers and RSL Coll…

> As a content publisher It always bothers me a little when people describe themselves as a content publisher or content creator. Why content ? Why not say you are a short film maker or writer or musician or videographer or journalist or painter or photographer or ...? In the past, your work has been merely content to the people who are looking for bits -- any bits -- to place between and around the stuff they really…

As a philosopher, I'd guess it's frequently because more concrete terms like "blogger" or "forum commenter" or "video game player" somehow lend even less credibility than the generic terminology.

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Post by bix6 »

txrx0000 wrote: post #186
bix6 wrote: post #26

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> Let us host stuff at home. We can dream. ISP says NO!

Don't just dream. We can choose to use the ISP that says "yes", or at least a less firm "no". We can vote with our wallets to create a market opening for the ISP that says "yes".

I have 2 options and both are garbage :/

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

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Post by nojs »

abirch wrote: post #88
mritchie712 wrote: post #29

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huh? they can block the bots

Usually the protection racket ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_racket ) is when the people who will cause the destruction charge to prevent it from happening. Paying a security guard isn't considered a protection racket, while paying a member of the mob so that nothing happens to my store is considered a protection racket.

What do you call it when the same security guard also gets paid by the attackers to let them in?
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