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Re: Grove.io shutting down

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Post by redguava »

mh- wrote: post #120
dchuk wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never said anything about building tools for programmers. I'm actually a major proponent of building apps and tools that scratch non-technical itches, or more specifically, intersecting your development skills with your hobbies or interests.

unfortunately for those of us who don't have any non-programming/tech interests that doesn't leave much left. :) (uber, taskrabbit notwithstanding..)

The subject matter of your software doesn't really matter. Building software is what is fun, using the latest tech is fun. Who the end user is, won't affect your day-to-day very much.

Re: Grove.io shutting down

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Post by googlengine »

pbiggar wrote: post #80
jmathai wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But every sentence afterwards put it in context.

I don't agree. You can't start with a statement like that and then backpeddle - your lede has the most impact and is what people remember. He had a chance to edit his post to better reflect his position, but chose not to take it. I wish he had. (And to complete this, lets not forget that Rayne is also a person who just made a mistake. It is the action which is bad, not the person).

LEI think that wasn't an insult. Ever you knew that person really well or you are are way too serious. Obviously the guy was complaining the trend of herroducts. It Becomes stressful when her works end up in either one direction. If that was the case. I would not trust her work either.

Re: Grove.io shutting down

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Post by pilif »

madflo wrote: post #146
pilif wrote: post #142

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Sparrow is essentially an IMAP client. I don't see Google turn off IMAP support any time soon. Way too many clients are actively using that.

I don't know exactly the protocols behind Exchange (IMAP ? MAPI ?), but it seems to me that it is, for now, Google's prefered way of accessing emails & calendars from a mobile device (at least from iOS).

Yes. But we were talking about Sparrow and Sparrow is an IMAP client.

Re: Grove.io shutting down

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Post by mibbitier »

pbiggar wrote: post #174
mibbitier wrote: post #170

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Campfire was released in 2006, 67 months ago. 60,000,000 messages, over 67 months, works out at 895,000 a month - approx 28,000 messages a day. Or one message every 3 seconds. Campfire could be run from a single small VPS. I think it's entirely believable that the usage of campfire is that low. All credit to them, they've managed to get people to pay for something people don't actually use very often.

You can't just average them out - you think they have the same number of customers now as they did when they started? Let's assume they doubled in size every year - I think that's a good if imperfect approximation. That would mean 30m messages sent this year, 80K sent today. A far cry for "a few thousand".

80,000 messages a day is still ridiculously minuscule. It's a rounding error. Average them how you like. Assume exponential growth. Whatever. It's still around the same number of messages that go on in say a single channel on freenode.

Re: Grove.io shutting down

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Post by heretohelp »

samengland wrote: post #160
heretohelp wrote: post #130

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Only if they demand I make them my sole source of food and stop cooking for myself while I'm their customer.

But you wouldn't do that though, would you...?

>But you wouldn't do that though, would you...?

Right, which is why I also refuse to hand over control of my logging, database persistence, etc to third parties without some give-and-take.

Re: Grove.io shutting down

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Post by kenneth_reitz »

mibbitier wrote: post #61
rorrr wrote: post #59

Why shut down if you have paying customers? Just let it run. Servers are dirt cheap, there's no way they are losing money at their prices.

They're hosted with rackspace afaik. So they probably are losing money.

I'm pretty sure YC companies get either free or heavily discounted Rackspace.

http://www.rackspacestartups.com/yc/index.html

Re: Grove.io shutting down

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Post by martindale »

sbarre wrote: post #149
polemic wrote: post #95

Ugh, I don't understand how Grove.io can just drift apart like that. Surely Grove's costs were relatively low, and my impression was that there was a significant level of uptake. > "..our team has moved on to other projects.." So, unprofitable, or just not the next Facebook? Is there really no one that is happy to keep the service ticking along? I feel like there is a pretty significant problem with tech startups, wh…

I also wish they would address: 1) why not open source the project? 2) why not look for someone to take it over and run it? I also have a hard time seeing how something like this could be at the very least not break-even (unless they had less than 10 paying customers or something).

I reached out to Leah with the same questions, but in lieu of a response I spent a few minutes setting up a replacement that is both an IRC server and a hosted web client: https://github.com/LocalSense/hosted-irc

I'll hack on it a bit more tonight, but it shouldn't be too difficult to replicate what Grove.io does.

Re: Grove.io shutting down

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Post by patcon »

martindale wrote: post #188
sbarre wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also wish they would address: 1) why not open source the project? 2) why not look for someone to take it over and run it? I also have a hard time seeing how something like this could be at the very least not break-even (unless they had less than 10 paying customers or something).

I reached out to Leah with the same questions, but in lieu of a response I spent a few minutes setting up a replacement that is both an IRC server and a hosted web client: https://github.com/LocalSense/hosted-irc I'll hack on it a bit more tonight, but it shouldn't be too difficult to replicate what Grove.io does.

Might want to simply contribute to this, unless I'm misunderstanding :) https://github.com/thedjpetersen/subway

Re: Grove.io shutting down

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Post by patcon »

polemic wrote: post #95

Ugh, I don't understand how Grove.io can just drift apart like that. Surely Grove's costs were relatively low, and my impression was that there was a significant level of uptake. > "..our team has moved on to other projects.." So, unprofitable, or just not the next Facebook? Is there really no one that is happy to keep the service ticking along? I feel like there is a pretty significant problem with tech startups, wh…

Someone should start a "start-up adoption" program. Facilitate others adopting projects when the owners want to move on, but the viability is still contentious
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