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Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by antonvs »

api wrote: post #83
perihelions wrote: post #29

By way of contrast, America's current top "doctor" organized a class-action lawsuit against the HPV vaccine. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/... ( "Kennedy played key role in Gardasil vaccine case against Merck" ) > "Details of the Gardasil litigation show how Kennedy took action beyond sowing doubt about the safety and efficacy of vaccines in the court of public opinion and helped build a…

It's okay, he'll have us treat cervical cancer with a juice cleanse and vibes.

Also the juice is whale juice.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by antonvs »

boxerab wrote: post #136
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #104

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Maybe we’re seeing selection pressure against those prone to addictive cycles of social-media influenced misinformation? Like, anti-vaxers died at higher rates in Covid [1]. This will continue across disease outbreaks, particularly ones for which we have near-comprehensive vaccines like measles. And given antivax sensibility is heritable (through parenting, not genes), one would expect this to stabilize the populatio…

very few people are against vaccines per se, they are just against *unsafe* vaccines. "anti-vax" is a term used to dismiss dissident without having to deal with their arguments i.e an ad hominem. As an analogy, if I object to high levels of mercury in fish, am I anti-fish? or anti-poisonous-fish ?

Which vaccines that are widely used today do you believe are unsafe? And why do you believe they’re unsafe?

> “anti-vax" is a term used to dismiss [dissent]

No, it’s a term used to dismiss people who keep bringing up the same arguments that have been refuted over and over.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by tehjoker »

finghin wrote: post #141
p1necone wrote: post #129

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That feels like a wild assumption to me - we really think people 45+ aren't having casual sex? less casual sex maybe, but I would imagine still a decent amount, statistically.

If you’re having casual sex at 45+ you probably already carry HPV.

Maybe, but all 9 cancer causing strains covered by the vaccine? HPV also clears on its own usually after some time afaik.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by peterlk »

LorenPechtel wrote: post #111
pm90 wrote: post #18

If you're living in the US: please consider getting the vaccine, ragardless of your age. It was covered by my (rather shitty) health insurance. It consists of just 2 (EDIT: 3 for adults!) doses. It is recommended for both Males and Females.

It's not approved for those over 45. (AFIAK, simply because so few people in that age group would have risk without having had prior exposure. Basically only those who had divorced or lost their long time partner.)

This is not true any more. The vaccine has been shown to lower cancer risk for those who already carry the virus, so it is recommended even for people who are HPV positive

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by dmix »

Animats wrote: post #135

Good to hear what's happening in the more advanced countries.

RFK Jr may be a bit biased, his opposition has been profitable

> Kennedy for years has earned referral fees from Wisner Baum, a Los Angeles personal injury law firm that is currently suing Merck, alleging the pharmaceutical giant failed to properly warn the public about risks from its vaccine against human papillomavirus (HPV), Gardasil, according to financial disclosure documents filed by Kennedy with the Office of Government Ethics.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rfk-jr-confirmation-robert-f-ke...

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by tehjoker »

codr7 wrote: post #144
JohnTHaller wrote: post #61

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It's likely that they haven't tested it as thoroughly in older folks and that most older folks have already been exposed to HPV.

Already exposed without having any issues from it.

That last part doesn't matter. You can develop cancer later.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by pyuser583 »

iamtheworstdev wrote: post #176
pyuser583 wrote: post #164

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I'm sorry, but you sound like the people who try to get me take ivermectine for Covid. "just get it off label" or "tell the doctor you just got back from pauea new guinea and saw worms in your stool." I know you are very well intentioned, but American's actually have very good doctors.

> American's actually have very good doctors Doctors aren't setting the rules on who gets what vaccine and when. RFK Jr is. Health insurance companies are.

RFK Jr wasn't doing anything worth talking about during the multiple times in the past 15 years my doctors have told me it wasn't recommended.

Please do not turn mainstream medical advice into a fringe position.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by [deleted] »

pyuser583 wrote: post #172
loeg wrote: post #171

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This is very different from recommending horse dewormer; if you can't tell the difference, I'm sorry.

When I'm in my doctor's office, and the doctor is saying "don't do that" it is quite hard to tell the difference.

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Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by pitpatagain »

duffpkg wrote: post #155

This article headline is a gross abuse of the conclusions of the actual study which is here: https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.E... This site is full of people perfectly capable of reading most studies. I would much rather see these links go to studies than endless clickbait articles about studies. The conclusion of the study show that about 30% of the women in the study from 2017-2014 tested…

The study is linked early in the article and is fairly dense, the article summarized it well and is a lot more readable.

16/18 are the most carcinogenic strains, they have been close to eradicated in Denmark. "Denmark close to wiping out leading cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out" is the full headline and 100% accurate.

Those were the only two high risk strains covered by the vaccine used in the time frame studied. The study covers the first cohort of girls given the 2008 version of the vaccine when they recently reached age to start screening. It is expected to not see other strains affected in this study, even though current vaccines are broader. The total number of high risk HPV cases in the study went down post-vaccination.

The notion of numbered strains of HPV is about diverging lineages going back hundreds of thousands of years in a highly conserved, slowly mutating virus. They are not comparable to things like seasonal COVID or flu strains.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by strictnein »

pyuser583 wrote: post #187
iamtheworstdev wrote: post #176

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> American's actually have very good doctors Doctors aren't setting the rules on who gets what vaccine and when. RFK Jr is. Health insurance companies are.

RFK Jr wasn't doing anything worth talking about during the multiple times in the past 15 years my doctors have told me it wasn't recommended. Please do not turn mainstream medical advice into a fringe position.

It's a standard vaccine for preteen/teen boys now too. If your doctor has been telling you not to get it for the past 15 years, they've been doing you a disservice.
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