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The elegance of movement in Silksong

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Re: The elegance of movement in Silksong

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Post by boppo1 »

rkomorn wrote: post #156
TriangleEdge wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spoilers: Silksong has arenas with 3 mobs that throw discs plus you. Idk about you, but I can't track 7 things moving at once. This isn't fun. Nor is it challenging, you just have to get lucky. I like Silksong, but the only way some the bosses were made challenging was because of constant adds. Hollow Knight rarely had this.

The older I get the more I find boss fights off putting. I get literally zero satisfaction out of learning whatever pattern you have to learn to perform whatever correct action, at the correct time, you need to defeat a particular boss. It's just a time consuming chore. Edit: the "boss" escape sequences in the Ori games were also entirely frustrating and and unsatisfying to me.

I felt this way two days & 2 hours of playtime ago. Now I'm a bit better with the controls, beat lace & am using hunter's march to farm rosaries.

I think I'd be bored if it were easier. I don't want to 'press A to win'.

Re: The elegance of movement in Silksong

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Post by boppo1 »

gyomu wrote: post #147
foresterre wrote: post #115

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I felt that the beginning of the game is pretty punishing, exactly because you don't have these movement abilities yet. After getting Swift Step (dash), the game became quite doable. Luckily you get dash a lot faster than in the original game, although I would say, in Silksong it's more a necessity. I went through Hunter's March without abilities and initially I hated the diagonal pogo jumps. It took a night's sleep…

Most of the pogos don't require the full diagonal range, you can just trigger the attack when you're really close to the target, which makes it almost a regular downwards jump.

Yeah, this was the big insight for me.

Re: The elegance of movement in Silksong

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Post by zwnow »

rkomorn wrote: post #170
zwnow wrote: post #166

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I agree. I used to play Path of Exile a lot, recently joined the new league in Path of Exile 2 and the balancing is so bad you have to play a particular build to beat the campaign in a reasonable time. In a game that is all about build versatility... Common responses from the playerbase: skill issue, build issue, etc. While the game clearly has a balancing issue (which is fair considering its not at v1.0 yet). Bosses…

I'm an unashamed, unabashed, could-not-care-less "casual" when it comes to games, which definitely shows up even more in multiplayer. I played Minecraft with some online friends and I was off messing around, exploring, and doing nothing worthwhile, and got back to "base" where they had like.. monster farms and stuff?! Because they were trying to finish the newly released IDK.. expansion, ASAP? It was a very clear "oh…

Haha I barely touched the nether in Minecraft, still had a blast with my friends. Unfortunately nowadays they exclusively play competitive games so I can not join them anymore...

Re: The elegance of movement in Silksong

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Post by DanielVZ »

TriangleEdge wrote: post #83
furyofantares wrote: post #81

> Silksong as a game should not exist. It is so brutally difficult that it stretches the very definition of the word "game". Games are supposed to be fun. They are meant to delight with their whimsy. Sometimes, yes, they are meant to be challenging. But that challenge is in service of fun. Games, more than any other form of entertainment, offer skill challenges. As they've become more popular they've gotten better ab…

Spoilers: Silksong has arenas with 3 mobs that throw discs plus you. Idk about you, but I can't track 7 things moving at once. This isn't fun. Nor is it challenging, you just have to get lucky. I like Silksong, but the only way some the bosses were made challenging was because of constant adds. Hollow Knight rarely had this.

You don’t have to keep track of seven things at once. You need to keep track of your own character and react accordingly. I understand that the game is hard but it adds a ton of fun to my taste.

Re: The elegance of movement in Silksong

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Post by Levitz »

mrinterweb wrote: post #45

I've played a couple hours of silksong. I don't get the hype. Its a fine game, but I really think people are over hyping it. The internet hype loop on this game is turning me off on it. It's a nice metroidvania game.

I used to think the same when I was around 15-18 hours in.

Now I'm finally reaching 100% completion and frankly, it's just very hard for me to argue this is not the best metroidvania ever released. It has a lot of hype, but I think it somehow lived up to it.

For reference I do think the original Hollow Knight is a bit overrated, right now I reckon Nine Sols has it beat, but this? The game has SO MUCH to offer, SO SO much, with so much care for detail that I just can't think of any other game in the genre that is better.

Re: The elegance of movement in Silksong

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Post by Levitz »

M4v3R wrote: post #143
par wrote: post #15

Cute article but skong isn’t as hard as op makes it out to be. I wonder if he’s played any soulsborne games or even hollow knight. Git gud!!!

Silksong is objectively hard, and if you're trying to argue otherwise you're either the mythical "god gamer" or just trolling. The game is unapologetically hard and punishing right from the beginning. The very second boss you encounter already hits you for 2 masks (which effectively means 3 hits and you're dead), and each time you try to fight him you first have to run back for a minute before you reach him. He even…

It Is hard, sure.

But this: "Silksong as a game should not exist. It is so brutally difficult that it stretches the very definition of the word "game"" is an immense exaggeration, I could understand this for, maybe, IWBTG.

Re: The elegance of movement in Silksong

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Post by thaumasiotes »

pharrington wrote: post #126
thaumasiotes wrote: post #62

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> I played it for a while, but was (and am) sincerely super confused what people find so amazing in it. That's very easy to explain. It's a Kickstarter effect. Boardgamegeek is a website that, among other things, aggregates ratings of board games into a big master list of which games are the best, kind of like imdb. The list has been corrupted by Kickstarter - it turns out that, when a game with a Kickstarter campaig…

Nope! Alot of people just really love the game. I'm one of them! I only heard about the game after its release, and the first time I played it was in during the end of 2017. The only expectations I had for it were that it was a difficult exploration game. What captivated me was the music, the level design, getting lost before realizing what exploration options were available to me - I could go on forever about the ga…

> Nope! Alot of people just really love the game. I'm one of them! I only heard about the game after its release, and the first time I played it was in during the end of 2017.

Considering it released a couple of days ago, I don't see how this can be true.

Re: The elegance of movement in Silksong

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Post by sevensor »

rikthevik wrote: post #80
fishtoaster wrote: post #4

> Selling to businesses is very easy. You go to a business and you say "hey, you like making money?" And the business will say "why yes, I do like making money" and you will say "great, I can help you make more money. This is so wrong it hurts. You'd be amazed at how often "I will save you $X, guaranteed, or your money back" is a non-starter when selling to companies. I've spent a career very slowly gaining respect f…

I might be overstating it, but here's what I see at my company. "Sell" is very different in all of these situations. - Sell to the champion. - Sell to the rest of the org. - Sell to procurement. - Sell to the implementation project team. - Sell to the users and get adoption up. Then constantly demonstrate that you're providing value in whatever terms that department / org thinks is valuable that year. Easy!

This is what I’ve seen; it’s hard work, and if you fail to make any one of those sales, it can all fall apart. And you didn’t even mention getting your foot in the door in the first place. I used to chat with our business development guy in the lunchroom. He spent hours on the phone every day getting told no. It took a ton of work just to get from “no” to “maybe later,” and that’s when they didn’t just hang up in him. I think he understood what made our company tick better than anybody else, better than the CEO.

Re: The elegance of movement in Silksong

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Post by whatevaa »

zimpenfish wrote: post #176
TriangleEdge wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spoilers: Silksong has arenas with 3 mobs that throw discs plus you. Idk about you, but I can't track 7 things moving at once. This isn't fun. Nor is it challenging, you just have to get lucky. I like Silksong, but the only way some the bosses were made challenging was because of constant adds. Hollow Knight rarely had this.

> you just have to get lucky. You can definitely learn and not have to rely on luck - watch a video of someone good playing a bullet hell shooter[0] and getting a perfect score with no hits. There is not a world that exists in which you could accomplish that with luck. [0] Touhou is probably the definitive example here. Something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY7QEEnSGVU

I believe that our brains are not the same in such aspects and some people can, and some just can't.

Re: The elegance of movement in Silksong

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Post by furyofantares »

ranguna wrote: post #167
furyofantares wrote: post #81

> Silksong as a game should not exist. It is so brutally difficult that it stretches the very definition of the word "game". Games are supposed to be fun. They are meant to delight with their whimsy. Sometimes, yes, they are meant to be challenging. But that challenge is in service of fun. Games, more than any other form of entertainment, offer skill challenges. As they've become more popular they've gotten better ab…

I believe you have given up and found out that the game is not for you. That's not a bad thing, it's just you finding out things about yourself. Move on to another game and let other players have fun with this one. Regards, Someone who has never player HK and doesn't plan to

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