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OpenAI eats jobs, then offers to help you find a new one at Walmart

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Tons of welding and other manufacturing jobs in the northeast— they’ll even apprentice you into positions with no existing knowledge and larger companies (like General Dynamics) will even pay for your job-related degrees, sometimes being able to take the classes on the clock or get a stipend. They have to do this because the industry has basically been kicking the aging-workforce can down the road for a few decades s…

> I have a feeling a lot of displaced software people will go that route, and have a big change in compensation and working conditions in the process. I've watched my cousin weld on a horse trailer overhead in 105F Texas heat, would be interesting to see the typical SWE step away from an Xbox and do that.

Yeah I don’t think they’re going to have much of a choice unless they plan on doing gig jobs indefinitely. The software business has given a lot of people the impression that they’re far more special than they actually are.

I’ve seen devs say they’d pick up a trade like being a plumber or electrician because their their master electrician cousin gets paid a ton money, probably they imagine for wiring up new residential buildings and changing out light sockets… how long did it take that cousin to get there? In any trade, there’s quite a number of years of low pay, manual labor, cramming into tight spaces in hot attics or through bug infested crawl spaces, factory basements, etc. that most apprentices complete in their early twenties. Nobody gives a shit what you did as a developer and nobody gives a shit how good you are at googling things in most blue collar work environments. Getting experienced enough to have your own business making good money in some job where you need many thousands of work hours to even take a test to get licensed isn’t a lateral move from being a JS toolchain whiz. Even in less structured jobs like working as a bartender — it takes years of barbacking, serving, or bartending in the least desirable jobs (events, corporate spaces) before you get something you can pay rent with.

Re: OpenAI eats jobs, then offers to help you find a new one at Walmart

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When my father joined an attorney's office as recently as the 80s, there was a whole team of people that worked with: Of course, there were the attorneys who actually argued the cases, but also legal assistants who helped create various briefs, secretaries who took dictation (with a typewriter, of course) to write those documents, receptionists who managed the attorney's schedules and handled memos and mail, filing c…

Head on the nail. I try to explain this to everyone who thinks we are heading to global collapse. AI isn't good enough to replace a person . It enables a person to replace a team . That will take awhile since, as cool and great AI is now, it is not yet as powerful and integrated yet for teams to be totally replaced. Only as fast as people naturally leave, so instead of hiring someone to replace that job, one guy inhe…

The low hanging jobs historically created from progress are gone. You are talking nonsense. You are talking the equivalent of 'and then magically, new jobs appear, because jobs have appeared in the past'. And while you wave away job fears as a nothing burger, you randomly add in blaming people for not feeling rich because...they think progress should include their lives progressing for the better?

Re: OpenAI eats jobs, then offers to help you find a new one at Walmart

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It's not a comment on the ethics of replacing jobs but the hypocrisy of companies using "ethics" as reasoning for restricting content. They are pursuing profits. Their ethical focus is essentially a form of theater.

Replacing jobs is not an ethical issue. Automation and technology has been replacing jobs for well over a century, almost always to better outcomes for society. If it were an ethical issue, then it would be unethical not to do it. In any case, which jobs have been replaced by LLMs? Most of the actual ones I know were BS jobs to begin with - jobs I wish had not existed to begin with. The rest of the ones are where CEO…

BeetleB says "The rest of the ones are where CEOs are simply using AI as an excuse to execute layoffs (i.e. the work isn't actually being done by an LLM)."

So lay people off to reduce costs, say that they have been replaced by AI now, and the stockholders love you even more!

Indeed, a model that should cascade thru American businesses quickly.

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How many jobs have they actually 'eaten'? For now, we mostly have AI labs and those in proximity claiming some number of jobs will be obsolete, but the actual job loss has yet to manifest.

It’s going to ramp. I have a team where 60% of the staff (6/10) is retiring in a year. Their function is around reconciling utilization and bills from multiple related suppliers with different internal stakeholders. They do a bunch of analysis and work with the internal stakeholders to optimize or migrate spend. It is high ROI for us, and the issue is both finding people with the right analytical and presentation ski…

And your company now won't progress. Won't have insight. Sure you can keep on keeping on, but that is all. You also farm out expertise instead of building it.

AI is an entropy machine for everything it touches. Companies that runs off of AI is a zombie company. Without people to understand an industry, what does your company ad? Without people to see new revenue streams, new directions, and most importantly NEW RISKS to your business model, you are a dead zombie company living off what the previous living, growing company built. But does that matter to owners when they get $500,000 more a year in their pockets?

Re: OpenAI eats jobs, then offers to help you find a new one at Walmart

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How many jobs have they actually 'eaten'? For now, we mostly have AI labs and those in proximity claiming some number of jobs will be obsolete, but the actual job loss has yet to manifest.

Well I'm part of a small few person team- I had a junior developer helping me who left. And I literally don't need someone like him anymore because I can do anything that he was doing via AI faster and better because it's under my control. I can have a 20 minute conversation and code revision that would have taken days for someone junior to code and would have probably been not done right (by 'right' I mean how I wan…

And when you are out sick, can AI do his role? When you are on vacation, can AI do his role? When you leave, can AI at least help define/interview your replacement, like he could have, even if he's too junior to step into the role?

There is so much else that people do. So many details that are just being ignored because of short term 'gains' that justify ignoring so many details.

Re: OpenAI eats jobs, then offers to help you find a new one at Walmart

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How many jobs have they actually 'eaten'? For now, we mostly have AI labs and those in proximity claiming some number of jobs will be obsolete, but the actual job loss has yet to manifest.

I think a lot of clerical tasks where people are crossing defined things with other defined things that could be somewhat automated expensively before can be somewhat automated less expensively enough to be worth doing now. So jobs being killed by AI are basically being killed same way that office number crunching technology killed administrative assistant positions and put those tasks onto other people. Take for exa…

Can the AI find alternative suppliers when your current ones go out of business or closes down production lines (even just for short term re-tooling)? Can AI negotiate when you get a big sale and need a huge production run? There are so many moving parts that a human juggles, more than what you list. All AI solutions seem like this. Automate the day to day duties of a job, when the real value of the person doing the jobs are much more than that. Maybe you can automate away 2 purchasing jobs down to 1, but what happens when that 1 person gets sick, when they go on vacation, when they retire/move to a better job?

And the sick thing is that the company that tries to be smart longer term won't be able to compete with the short term companies that cut as much as possible using AI to maximize short term benefits. Long term these 'cut everything' AI leaning zombie companies won't last, but they will last long enough to undercut and take out the longer term thinking companies with them.

AI is an entropy machine. It sucks all momentum from everything it touches.

Re: OpenAI eats jobs, then offers to help you find a new one at Walmart

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I think a lot of clerical tasks where people are crossing defined things with other defined things that could be somewhat automated expensively before can be somewhat automated less expensively enough to be worth doing now. So jobs being killed by AI are basically being killed same way that office number crunching technology killed administrative assistant positions and put those tasks onto other people. Take for exa…

Can the AI find alternative suppliers when your current ones go out of business or closes down production lines (even just for short term re-tooling)? Can AI negotiate when you get a big sale and need a huge production run? There are so many moving parts that a human juggles, more than what you list. All AI solutions seem like this. Automate the day to day duties of a job, when the real value of the person doing the…

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Re: OpenAI eats jobs, then offers to help you find a new one at Walmart

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In that case pretty much any automation is unethical, isn't it?

Yes, if it's resulting in a redistribution of wealth from the workers getting laid off (with no great prospects) to those providing the automation. OpenAI isn't providing any new job opportunities, it's just destroying existing ones.

The solution is for our government to onboard us onto the internet economy like China is doing. Rather than slow down tech advancement.
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